Posted on 03/13/2013 3:42:15 PM PDT by NYer
What the HELL is "social justice"?! I'll tell you what Thomas Sowell thinks it is: (from memory): it is whatever the speaker things at the moment it is.
Are you for "social injustice"? I didn't think so. I know you're also for "choice" and for "gaiety", too.
Social justice in a truly Christian sense is radically different from social justice in today’s liberal, phoney secular sense.
It’s like the difference between Mother Theresa saying, “we are our brother’s keeper” and when Obama says it.
His idea of “social justice” is based heavily on personal morality and personal charity. That’s fine with me - nothing about that “world order” that Turkson, Scherer and Sodano were talking about.
I think he’s a compromise choice, because the two sides knew they were too far apart to even bother dragging it out. The Italian Vatican II folks wanted either Scherer or Turkson, both mildly leftist and weak “social justice” types that they could control. Most of the BXVI crowd probably wanted Scola, initially, but after the business of a friend of his in the city government in Milan was raided for bidding irregularities yesterday, I think they probably backed off on his candidacy. (Scola had nothing to do with the business or its irregularities, but you know that the press would have been all over him.)
So the BXVI crowd probably moved on to Ranjith, but the liberals hated him too much. Several of the other possibilities (such as most of the Americans) were too young, because it was obvious that the electors didn’t want another 27 year papacy like that of JPII, who was elected when he was in his 50s. Bergoglio is almost 77, and even though he seems to be in good health, he’s obviously not going to have a 27 year reign.
That said, while he wouldn’t have been my first choice, I think even the name he picked has told us something about him and it’s certainly not bad. Remember, St Francis was told by the Lord to “Rebuild My Church.”
“Just curious to me why they were excluded for so long.”
The Jesuits have not been “excluded.”
By tradition, and because they are priests of a religious order and not of a specific diocese, Jesuit priests are rarely elevated to bishop, archbishop, or cardinal. In fact, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, who holds a very powerful position in the Church, is referred to as “The Black Pope” because he wears the black cassock of an ordinary priest, not the purple or scarlet robes of bishops and cardinals.
Although technically an ordinary priest can be elected pope(he is made a bishop before installed as pope), this does not occur much, and not in modern times.
So, Pope Francis is the rare Jesuit who has been made a cardinal and also been the head of an archdiocese (the only other one I know offhand was Cardinal Martini, previous Archbishop of Milan).
Pope JP II elevated a Jesuit theologian to Cardinal as an essentially honorary office (he was older than 80 and ineligible to vote when elevated)- that was Avery Cardinal Dulles, who was a professor at Fordham University.
Thanks NYer.
[snip] he is close to Comunione e Liberazione [/snip]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communion_and_Liberation
“Putting the homosexual clergy out to pasture will go a long, long way to ending future abuse.”
I would say that it has to go further than that. The clergy that have been using their station to serve their predatory proclivities rather than serving the Church need to be defrocked and turned over to civil authorities.
There is a fictitious Urban X in Voltaire's famous anti-clerical novel Candide, the supposed father of the old lady who becomes part of the group following Candide on his adventures. A Jesuit provincial in South America also figures in Candide, and Pope Francis was a Jesuit provincial earlier. So Voltaire must be spinning in his grave.
I stand corrected, thanks.
God bless you, dear FRiend, and thank you as always for your wonderful threads. Viva il Papa!
I hear Obo is sending the Mad Hatter to his inauguration.
I do hope he knows a number of languages, including English.
Thank you for that. Much appreciated.
Anyone have any info on this? Always best to check out anything with the name "liberation" in our times. If political it could be a concern. If spiritual, it could be a great sign of evangelical priority.
lol.... Didn’t realize that. The Xth was meant to whatever number (X=n)
Perhaps now he can bring them back in line.
CL emerged out of Gioventù Studentesca during the late 1960s, a period of rapid change in Italian society and within the Catholic Church. Following Giussani’s appointment to a chair in the theology department at Milan’s Catholic University in 1965, GS had begun to drift away from Giussani’s methods and was adopting social and political ideals popular among student movements in Italy at the time. By 1968, a significant number of GS members had left to join the secular revolutionary student movement, and many had become active Marxists. The group that became CL openly opposed these new revolutionary movements in the universities, in contrast to the increasing trend within the official Catholic youth and lay organizations to abandon their traditional antagonism toward secularism and Marxism. The contrast had become a deep division by the time of Azione Cattolica’s revision of its official statutes in 1969 and its adoption of a new policy of “religious choice” (a withdrawal from the sphere of partisan politics and a shift in focus towards spirituality and social justice, ostensibly in response to the Second Vatican Council). The faction of former GS members who rejected both the leftist student movement and the new direction of the official Catholic organizations took the name Comunione e Liberazione (originally the title of a manifesto they had authored and distributed).
During the 1970s, Giussani took an increasing interest in CL, which had resumed many of the distinctive practices and methods of GS and was operating as an unofficial Catholic organization in Italy outside the traditional lay Catholic structures, tending to be viewed with suspicion by the church hierarchy. Nevertheless, during the 1974 Italian referendum on divorce it was CL rather than the official Catholic organizations that undertook the task of defending the Catholic Church’s position to Italian society. Through its role in the referendum CL gained the sympathy and trust of many Italian bishops and of Pope Paul VI, who voiced his support of Giussani and CL at a Palm Sunday youth event in 1975. During this time CL acquired a reputation as an integralist organization and was the target of violence, culminating in 120 attacks on persons and CL offices in 1977, during leftist students riots[citation needed].
The movement endorses a fiscally conservative and a socially conservative agenda on issues such as on stem cell research, end of life issues, same-sex unions, consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Yes, thank you.
see post #57
Thanks again.
This just might be very, very interesting.
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