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The Longer the Conclave Lasts, the Bigger the Surprise is Likely to Be
The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 3/12/13 | Fr Mark Drew

Posted on 03/13/2013 7:06:22 AM PDT by marshmallow

Journalists are floundering because they cannot see beyond the dichotomy of ‘conservative’ and ‘progressive’

I am asked by a non-Catholic friend for comments on the conclave. It’s difficult to comment because the media interpret everything along the line of bipolar oppositions, and of course it’s much more complicated than that. But anyway, here is my five cents worth for those who are interested.

1. Do not believe anything along the lines of a conservative/progressive clash. From the point of view of the secular world, all the cardinals are conservative: there is just not going to be a pope who changes Catholic doctrine, because popes are chosen among people who are Catholics. The question is: what kind of conservative is he likely to be?

2. The real standoff is between the curial cardinals and those who want reform. But the reformers are “progresssive” only in the sense that they want to clear out corruption and incompetence in the curia. In doctrinal terms they tend to be both conservative and “evangelical”, ie marked by a willingness to be more confrontational with regard to the aggressively secular, western elites.

3. The curial cardinals, traditionally styled as conservative by the media, are conservative only in the sense they want business as usual: ie for power to remain in their hands. Having not much in the way of convictions, they are not conservative in any ideological sense; indeed, the pugnacious attitudes of those I have termed “evangelical” make them nervous, because they are trained as diplomats and power brokers and they like to avoid confrontation with the above-mentioned secular elites, among whom they feel at ease.

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1 posted on 03/13/2013 7:06:22 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I am getting the sense that this conclave is going to be a little bit longer.


2 posted on 03/13/2013 7:08:27 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow
"...if an African, or an Asian or a South American is elected, it will be because of his personal qualities and where he stands on the issues I raise above, not of the colour of his skin."

What a concept!

3 posted on 03/13/2013 7:11:19 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Biggirl

How many ballots do they have to go through before a simple majority is required?


4 posted on 03/13/2013 7:11:41 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator, Rand Paul for President in 2016)
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To: marshmallow
The Longer the Conclave Lasts, the Bigger the Surprise is Likely to Be

And so, on their 478th. day in Conclave, the Cardinals elected Joe Biden...


5 posted on 03/13/2013 7:12:17 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Gird your loins!


6 posted on 03/13/2013 7:16:48 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: marshmallow

They’re made from the same cloth. There is no radical among them. There will be no surprise.


7 posted on 03/13/2013 7:20:36 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

One thing is certain, unlike one conclave that last 3 years, this one should not last too long.


8 posted on 03/13/2013 7:26:17 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sacajaweau

That conclave I had mentioned took place during the middle ages.


9 posted on 03/13/2013 7:27:13 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow

Dolan, too confrontational?

Interesting point of view from the author.

http://youtu.be/QoHWHOs35dc


10 posted on 03/13/2013 7:37:20 AM PDT by EBH ( American citizens do not negotiate with political terrorists.)
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To: marshmallow

Great article, excellent analysis. Thanks for posting.


11 posted on 03/13/2013 7:40:59 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Perdogg
How many ballots do they have to go through before a simple majority is required?

That JP II rule was repealed by B XVI, and I think I figured out why:

If the rule, were say, 45 days, and six days in, one candidate has 51%, with one or more candidates splitting the rest, the 51% would just sit on their lead and wait for expiration with no need to negotiate. The mere threat to do so may get enough of the rest to join in, making a de facto simple majority vote.
12 posted on 03/13/2013 7:51:36 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: Biggirl
The Middle Ages lasted 10 centuries.

Circa 1300 would be a better time frame.

The church has a messy history and the last few years in particular with the "hiding" of so many perverted priests.

But I have faith.

13 posted on 03/13/2013 7:54:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: marshmallow
They are not liberals as that term is understood in US or European politics: the New York Times is not fielding a candidate.

Not true! I understand Cdl. Mahoney recieved one vote yesterday! (Just kidding)
14 posted on 03/13/2013 7:56:32 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Buy a shotgun.


15 posted on 03/13/2013 7:58:25 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I am just surprised that Cardinal Mahoney is even in Rome to begin with.


16 posted on 03/13/2013 7:59:27 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow

The media cannot think in philosophical or spiritual terms. They are only capable of filling up the space between the mattress ads in their papers or broadcasts.

The church will continue to be a force for good in the world and that is what upsets the liberal mind. they want the church to be a puppet with them pulling the strings.

Is there evil inside the church? Of course there is. The church is composed of humans, fallible and weak, but the vast majority are good and holy people.
God will direct the conclave to choose a man who will follow the Word and show the way to those who care to see.


17 posted on 03/13/2013 8:07:14 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Biggirl
That conclave I had mentioned took place during the middle ages.

That 'conclave' wasn't a conclave but it is the reason that we have conclaves now.

18 posted on 03/13/2013 8:19:47 AM PDT by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marshmallow

This is the best single analysis I’ve read over the past 3 weeks, and I’ve read many dozens. Thanks for posting.


19 posted on 03/13/2013 8:32:23 AM PDT by Remole
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To: Biggirl

I agree.....a disgrace...


20 posted on 03/13/2013 9:02:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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