Posted on 03/01/2013 3:08:12 PM PST by NYer
Since the former Pope is alive - wow, that’s strange to write – priests and bishops can mention Benedict XVI’ name during the Memento of the Living in the Roman Canon.
Father might say: “Memento, Domine, famulorum famularumque tuarum, Benedicti decimi sexti, et N. … omnium circumstantium…”
Remember that the name or names inserted here are in the genitive, because of Memento.
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I received notes from priests asking about what they should say in the Roman Canon, now that there is no Pope. As you know, we mention his name and the name of the local bishop, during the Eucharistic Prayer.
The answer depends on where you are.
I’ll use the Roman Canon as the standard… because that’s what it is!
Most priests around the world, when there is no Pope, must say (the underlined part needs your full attention):
[...] in primis, quæ tibi offérimus pro Ecclésia tua sancta cathólica: quam pacificáre, custodíre, adunáre et régere dignéris toto orbe terrarum: et Antístite nostro N. et ómnibus orthodóxis, atque cathólicæ et apostólicæ fídei cultóribus.
You see, before that “et Antístite nostro N.“, the part about “una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro N.” is removed. (N. is for “Nomen… Name”.)
If you are in Rome, you have to remember that the Pope is the local bishop, and so you cut out the part about the local bishop also, together with omitting the prayer for the Pope. That means, during “Sede Vacante” you drop even more text:
…in primis, quæ tibi offérimus pro Ecclésia tua sancta cathólica: quam pacificáre, custodíre, adunáre et régere dignéris toto orbe terrarum: et ómnibus orthodóxis, atque cathólicæ et apostólicæ fídei cultóribus.
See the difference?
A priest friend send me a pic of how he has used post-it notes to block out the text to be omitted. Believe me! It is very easy to plow right along and, from habit, say the former Pope’s name… even the name of some Pope from years ago. I ran into an old codger who slipped and said “for Paul, our Pope”. It happens!
UPDATE:
I saw on the site of Romanitas Press a great post about what to do in this period. It gives also directions for bishops and their recitation of the Roman Canon.
He provided some nicely formatted text which could be printed and trimmed and put in a missal or hand missal.
Ping!
Is there an English version for those of us whose Latin is a bit rusty?
Re-writer and delete every reference to man and church and you'll have gazillions of parishoners with exponentially gazillions more dollars and influence ... but you'll have to let go of your tradition(s)
(Sell all you have and follow Me ... and the lawyer walked away .. sad)
“Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my Church.”
“A pope to be named later”
No, seriously, they just omit the “ N. Our pope” and skip to “ N. Our bishop”.
I just pray directly to God the Father and Jesus.
Jesus’ chair is never empty.
thank God, right?
your screen name strikes me as a great racehorse name...no disrespect intended.
This Rock is the confession that Jesus is the Christ.
On Jesus (the Rock) will Jesus' church be built.
How about Pope Polkajello I
Peter’s name was Simon.
Jesus gave him the new name, Peter, or Petrus. It was similar to God renaming Abram as Abraham in the O.T., and Jacob as Israel, as a sign that they were chosen.
Petrus also means rock. So the new name enabled the play on words that Jesus used when addressing Peter.
Yes, in another verse, Jesus calls himself the Cornerstone. But in this particular verse, he is talking about Peter as the Rock.
This reading goes back to the earliest days of the Church, and the Church Fathers.
Peter’s name was Simon.
Jesus gave him the new name, Peter, or Petrus. It was similar to God renaming Abram as Abraham in the O.T., and Jacob as Israel, as a sign that they were chosen.
Petrus also means rock. So the new name enabled the play on words that Jesus used when addressing Peter.
Yes, in another verse, Jesus calls himself the Cornerstone. And he is also speaking about himself in the parable about the house built on sand as opposed to the house built on a firm foundation.
But in this particular verse, he is clearly talking about Peter as the Rock on which He will build His Church.
This reading goes back to the earliest days of the Church, and the writings of the Church Fathers.
Now I know you are Cicero, and upon this rock I build my faith.
I don't know what Greek scholar told you that, but they're full of baloney. The Greek manuscripts have no capitalization (and no punctuation, either) so any argument based on capitalization goes nowhere.
Here, let me help you out. The usual claim is that the Gk for "Peter" (Petros) and the immediately following word for "rock" (petra) mean something different, because there are a few examples of "petros" in classical Gk poetry (but none in the NT) which mean "pebble".
The argument is bogus because Jesus is forming a masculine proper name from "petra", a noun with feminine declension. He had to call Simon "Petros", or give him a woman's name. All the Petros/petra change proves is that Peter was a man.
"Cicero" comes from the Latin for "chickpea". "Now I know that you are 'Chickpea', and upon this rock I build ..." Huh?
"Friday, March 01, 2013 7:01:04 PM · 5 of 16 Cicero to knarf “Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my Church.”
capped it
All I did with "Cicero" is paraphrase his name as he was explaining Peter's name was being used in the scripture quote ... which as anyone can see ... equals ...
HUH ?
“I just pray directly to God the Father and Jesus.”
Just to clarify, this part of the Mass we’re talking about is where we say a prayer for the benefit of the Pope and the Bishop, but the prayer is directed to God. Nobody prays TO the Pope or the bishop. They are the ones who need the prayers.
Like this: Dear Jesus, please help Secret Agent Man grow ever closer to your Love and Truth.
Oddly, we don’t disagree about the fact that the Church is built upon Christ, His grace and His sacrifice. The Church is also the Body of Christ, and the Bride of Christ—all biblical terminology.
But Jesus was about to leave this world in the flesh, and He chose human leaders of the Church to help guide it. Peter was the chief leader of the Apostles, as we see in the Book of Acts, where he leads the first Council of the Church, a meeting of the twelve apostles (with a twelth elected on the spot), to determine whether or not every Christian needs to be circumcised or to obey the Jewish ritual laws.
This is NOT to say that Peter or any Pope is the Head of the Church except through God’s grace and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Catholics believe—in accordance with the Bible—that Jesus chose leaders and provided Sacraments to His Church. But none of this would be possible without His continued grace and support—the same grace that many Protestants think will be channeled ONLY through individuals, and without benefit of any sacraments except Baptism.
But we can agree that the foundation stone underlying all of it is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Protestants simply refuse to pay attention to inconvenient verses in the biblical account. Jesus decided to rely on human beings to run His Church on earth, although He also provides grace to each individual Christian—but largely through participation in the Mass and the Sacraments. “Go out in my name,” he told his disciples. Baptize and teach and provide the Sacraments.
Peter stood up and spoke, but he did that ALL the time.
He'd'a been a FreepeR fershur!
I am no Protestant ... I'm a Christian, not because of any church nor baptism, nor rite nor ritual, but because one day in 1981 the Holy Spirit revealed to me my sin condition and the penalty for it unattended .. and the remedy If I So Desired.
My favorite guy is the "repentent thief" who never joined a church nor got baptized ... just confessed Jesus as Lord and believed He had a Kingdom to go to and COULD take him there.
Jesus says, "Yup .. C'mon"
(That's the original Arimaic)
And He still says that today to all whom call upon Him.
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