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To: D-fendr
The conclusion is that there was established a hierarchy in the Church and authority - not each individual, not a democracy.

Again, Scripture as supreme upholds the magisterium and authority, but not as assuredly infallible, while under both models individuals must engage in interpretation, and there is division as well as unity.

The way souls came to believe on Christ is how truth and authority is established, and the magisterium must not be like the magisterium it dissented from, but look to Scripture as supreme and establishing truth thereby, not based on its claimed charism of infallibility.

316 posted on 03/05/2013 9:51:25 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
under both models individuals must engage in interpretation

Both involve human beings, the infinite through the finite; but the Church is not any one individual (cf: Council of Jerusalem again). Whereas, sola scriptua is each individual by definition, yes?

Scripture as supreme upholds the magisterium and authority

Each individual is the magisterium and authority. This is significantly different.

thanks for your reply.

318 posted on 03/05/2013 10:08:42 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: daniel1212
The way souls came to believe on Christ

By grace through faith. Our discussion is not specifically relevant to this I think.

look to Scripture as supreme and establishing truth thereby, not based on its claimed charism of infallibility.

Again does your church holds to a key teaching definitively and absolutely and then say" "but we could be wrong about this."?

I don't think it comes to this teaching based on its infallibility, that's kind of backwards isn't it?

Maybe this is a subtle difference. But I think it is heading off from the topic of sola scriptura.

And the Church most definitely looks to Scripture - in the deposit of faith - just not your, perhaps, interpretation of it, and not conforming to the doctrine of sola scriptura.

319 posted on 03/05/2013 10:23:45 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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