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To: daniel1212
under both models individuals must engage in interpretation

Both involve human beings, the infinite through the finite; but the Church is not any one individual (cf: Council of Jerusalem again). Whereas, sola scriptua is each individual by definition, yes?

Scripture as supreme upholds the magisterium and authority

Each individual is the magisterium and authority. This is significantly different.

thanks for your reply.

318 posted on 03/05/2013 10:08:42 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Both involve human beings, the infinite through the finite; but the Church is not any one individual (cf: Council of Jerusalem again).

The Church is not any one individual, but whether you affirm it or not, it is made up of different individual groups, including those operating under sola ecclesia, Rome being one of them who competes with others for the title of one true church.

The early church did have a central magisterium, though with much diversity, but nowhere were they commanded, exhorted, or reminded to submit to a supreme head in Rome, including in the church epistles, or the Spirit's word to the churches in Rv. 2,3)

Nor is Peter alone listed as a pillar, though he was the first among equals, yet no apostles were provided with successors save for Judas, who was replaced due to his apostasy and death in order to maintain the original number, by lots, (Acts 1:15-26; Rv. 21:14) unlike for James, (Acts 12:1,2) while Rome has elected men like Judas as popes.

This and many other differences disallow Rome from claiming either the same kind of unity or being the NT church.

Whereas, sola scriptua is each individual by definition, yes? Each individual is the magisterium and authority. This is significantly different.

No, in both cases individuals engage in interpreting their authority, but not as themselves being the supreme infallible authority on truth. For RCs that is Rome, but for SS types that is the Scriptures. You continue to make SS into meaning every individual is as a pope, unanswerable to any church magistrate, which is not the case. Else heretics and liberal would not be driven out of many churches that who hold to Scripture as supreme as the wholly inspired word of God, and liberalism is very evident in Catholicism.

But as Christ affirmed the magisterial office of the Jews, yet not as infallible, thus the church began in dissent from it based upon Scriptural warrant instead. And thus under SS the church magisterium is upheld, but not as assuredly infallible.

In Rome, conscience is the supreme authority for the individual, but that does not make it right, but the church (though what it says allows for varying degrees of interpretation). Likewise what an individual believes is not the supreme authority, but the Scriptures, and which affirms the magisterium, but not as infallible. Thus the both SE and SS churches may punish those who, in conscience toward God, dissent from the church. The differences is that, as in Scripture, under SS it must be allowed that the magisterial office may itself be in error, and punish those who hold to truth that is Scripturally substantiated in word and in power. And that is how the church began and is how it continues as the body of Christ.

334 posted on 03/06/2013 12:22:53 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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