Are you sure she isn't donating to the human fund?
Posted on 02/14/2013 12:14:09 PM PST by Weiss White
Q: Some Jewish people in my city complained to the local Catholic hospital, saying they were afraid to bring their sick children to the emergency room, because the hospital staff might baptize them. The hospital staff publicly agreed never to do this.
I had always assumed that you can’t baptize a baby without at least one parent’s consent, so I thought the hospital would simply say, “Don’t worry, we’re not allowed to do that anyway!” But the wording of the hospital administrators’ response seemed to suggest that they really could baptize a sick baby if they wanted to. Can a baby be baptized Catholic, even if the parents aren’t Catholic and don’t want the baptism? –Greg
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We were discussing a principle, that being whose wishes should prevail in this matter. We were not discussing how likely it was that a Muslim ceremony would be performed.
My 9 year old daughter was baptized against my wishes. Her mom is a believer in Christ, and so am I. But we had been separated for about 2 weeks. The last person I wanted to baptize her was the pastor of the church she was going to.
You answered your own question with scripture, then you present a long post denying that very scripture...Repent and be baptized...No babies...
The Philippian jailer whom Paul and Silas had converted to the faith was baptized that night along with his household. We are told that “the same hour of the night . . . he was baptized, with all his family” (Acts 16:33)
Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
NOT, what can I do, or what should I do but What MUST I do...
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
And thy house??? Sure, if they believe also...Watch...
Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
The entire household believed and the scripture said they all must believe...No babies...
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
If you don't or can't call on the Lord, you will not be saved...No babies...
One of you guys posted this verse to prove that baptism is all it takes to be saved, justifying infant baptism...
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
But there's another thing you must do...You must search the scriptures for the entire story on these issues...Here's the rest of it...
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
No babies...
You are free to believe anything they tell you but God is clear that no babies get baptized...No repentance, no babtism...
Of course you can't be baptized into the Methodist or the Lutheran denomination...There aren't any of them dumb enough to believe that...It's only Catholics who think they can be baptized into a religion...
The reality is that no one who gets a legitimate baptism gets baptized into a religion...We get baptized into Christ...
no one duped anyone, it's been that way for 2,000 years....everyone knows that
No, only Catholics believe that...Jesus taught otherwise 2000 years ago and he still does today...Read the words of God in the bible...See what God has to say about it...
It was you who introduced the specter of a Muslim ceremony. I merely commented as to its unlikeliness. As in, find me one Muslim hospital in the US.
That being said, as to the principle of staff at a Catholic hospital baptizing a Jewish child, I’ll reiterate:
“I would think it highly unlikely in this day and age for staff at a Catholic hospital to baptize a child, or that a dying child would be in the hospital without his/her parents at his/her bedside, except in the case of a severe emergency. In a case like that, an unidentified dying child might be baptized in a Catholic hospital’s ER. But I don’t think Jewish parents of a sick child who take their child to a Catholic hospital have anything to worry about.”
As fate would have it, I have had personal experience taking a critically sick child to the ER at Georgetown University Hospital, a Catholic hospital. The last thing the staff there was worried about was my son’s religion. They wanted to save his life. And did. I was not asked about his religion until he was admitted, and at that it was for informational purposes only, so the clerical team from our (or any patient’s) faith would be advised about which patients might wish their ministry. That is pretty standard protocol at any hospital.
the only Christians on earth for 1,600 years were Catholic and they all believed it.....Duped??, I think not...perhaps those that came after the fact, protestants, were the duped ones!
It has happened within current lifetimes. A family friend was hidden as a child with a Catholic family in France. Her parents were murdered by the Nazis. After the war some a cousin came to adopt her, but the local authorities refused since she had been baptized and the falsified records were used to prevent her family from taking her back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCuAYD2XFDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdW6as1bSg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ffr2Xl9DY
My Catholic brother and SIL decided to baptize their non-Catholic, non-religious son’s newborn daughter (who was healthy BTW and not in any imminent danger of dying) but didn’t tell their son and daughter in law about it until a few days later when my SIL casually mentioned it to her DIL. And my nephew and his wife were really ticked off about it. It caused a big fight and as a result, they were not on speaking terms for nearly a year.
As a non-believer I didn’t think it was any big deal and actually thought that my brother and SIL’s intentions were heartfelt and sincere and that they meant no harm and tried to get them all to patch things up, which they eventually did. But I also understood my nephew’s POV – “She is my daughter, I am her father, and if I want her to be baptized; that is my and my wife’s choice and our responsibility, not yours”. I think he and his wife were more insulted about what they perceived as my brother and SIL implying that they were not good parents for not having their daughter baptized and especially not baptized Catholic and doing so without discussing it with them and doing it in secret behind their backs.
FWIW, my brother and SIL, who know I am not a practicing Catholic, probably know I am an atheist although they won’t admit it, send me a religious Christmas card every year (beautiful art work BTW) with a note that they have donated money in my name and to have me added to a novena at their church. It doesn’t bother me at all as it makes them feel good and I know that it is sincere.
I also have a co-worker who at Christmas gives all of us in our HR department a donation through her church - Church of the Brethren; a donation in our names to a Brethren charity that provides crop seeds and live stock to “poor” people in Africa. I find that slightly annoying, not so much for the religious but political implications, but I just smile and say “thank you”. I figure she’s going to donate the money anyway. OTOH, one of these years I might turn the tables and make a donation in her name to a cause I believe in. : ),
I posted scripture that proves there is no baptism without repentance, hence; no babies...And there’s plenty more that I didn’t post...What ought be interesting to you guys is that same scripture is in the Catholic version of the bible, but apparently it’s not...Your own bible shows you that you don’t baptize babies...
I don’t get that whole concept—instead of me giving you a gift, I am donating to a charity of MY choosing instead, and assigning your name to it as a “gift”.
I didn’t get any gift out of the deal.
That stinks.....
Next Christmas donate to Sarah Palin’s PAC—and watch heads explode over the tops of the cubicles when they read the cards.
Award prizes for distance.....
Good idea! : )
Are you sure she isn't donating to the human fund?
actually the Brethern are great people. Anabaptists like the Amish and Mennonites.
And they do work among the world’s poorest peoples helping them help themselves and teaching them to run businesses and feed themselves. Very hands on.
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