Posted on 02/07/2013 4:42:47 PM PST by Colofornian
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“IF, you really believe that, IF, you are strong in your conviction, you wouldn’t need to disparage other beliefs.”
It is amazing that Christ, Peter, Paul, etc. had your principle so very wrong!
There is far more to Christianity then what is now the “all paths are equal” hippie version of the faith that is being pushed by politically correct ministers in modern America this day and age.
(Well, by your own conclusion, then...since you accuse me of being "weak" in my convictions and having a "LOG" in my spiritual eyes...is that not already TWO "disparagements" you've sent my way just in your one post? And, therefore, if you are disparaging my beliefs, does that not then -- by your own conclusions -- mean that you are "weak" in your convictions and need to "remove the log"???)
Ron, you've committed a classic self-refutation.
IF, what you say is so, then no Christian has any right to say ANYTHING negative 'bout any other religion (even Satanism).
Oh, and btw, by your own confession of Las Vegas standards, that includes critics like you who come on board and start disparaging others' religious expressions...
You, are weak, study your own FAITH, REMOVE THE LOG.
Galatians 2:11 When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong.
It's not a sign of weakness to confront error face to face. It's an act of love.
The salvation of Mormons is no more difficult for God than that of any other unbeliever. . . .
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Whenever I hear this kind of remark about Mormons I no longer trust the motive of the person making such a comment. Whatever you say about Mormons, they are not unbelievers.
I know a lot about mormons, likely much more than most of you. Mormons believe in Jesus Christ. They believe in the Jesus that was born of Mary, suffered under Pilot and rose from the dead after suffering and dying on the cross.
Mormons believe that there is no way to heaven except through Jesus Christ.
The way they come unto Jesus may be different than some but I have never met a more trusting in the Savior people than the Mormons. Mormons do not believe in works except in the same way that James in the New Testament does. “Show me your works and I’ll show you your faith”. “Faith without works is dead”.
I am reminded that those that had not done the things they were supposed to were kicked out of the early church. In at least one case a husband and wife were struck down dead for not giving “all” their possessions to the church after saying they had.
The Mormons require sacrifice, is that bad?
The Mormons require proof of worthiness to go to the temple just like the Catholics (are supposed to ) require proof of worthiness to take communion. I sure wish they did, there would be a lot of Democrat politicians that would no longer be Catholic.
We are all different. I personally do not think the Apostles, or Nician Creed makes you Christian. There are many people who can and do recite the Creed but will be going straight to Hell. For the first 50 years of the creed there was not strict obedience required to it. It really took 50 years for it to become the “law of the land”.
I think there will be a lot of Mormons in Heaven. We may all have a lot of surprises on the other side.
The Jesus Mormons believe in is not God Incarnate or virgin born. He was born of Mary, one of God’s many wives whom he had sex with. The Mormon Jesus is Lucifer’s half-brother.
They can say they believe in Jesus all they want, but if they don’t believe in the Jesus as presented in Scripture, that Jesus is not going to be able to save them.
Do you really have any idea how many of the people on these threads are former Mormon’s?
I HIGHLY doubt that you know more about Mormonism that someone who has been in it.
I always love how irony and hypocrisy are roommates...
What about those people who openly disparage these creeds?
It's one thing not to recite it; 'tis quite another to label them as "putrid" -- an "abomination" before God...and then to call 100% of those who "profess" Christ in non-Mormon sects as "corrupt."
You just can't get around the reality that 100% of TBMs...(true-believing Mormons) believe in the First Vision...that the above "entities" who supposedly appeared to Smith told them that these creeds were abominable and that the rest of us are "corrupt..."
The First Vision isn't wasting away in some obscure Mormon file somewhere; it's been enshrined as "Scripture" in the Pearl of Great Price ... republished literally millions of times by Lds...and translated and sent around the world.
Mormons are Christian creed-bashers, JAK...
(Well, we know for sure it was in the the 1850s, 1860s, etc. when Brigham Young required church members to be victimized by either agreeing to have their blood shed for perceived sins vs. "the brethren..." or, more often, when these victims themselves didn't agree with Brother Young's preachment of blood atonement...yet were imposed upon by Young's henchmen...Jesus Christ shed His blood for us, thank you; and no Mormon needed to have their blood shed as "atonement" for their own sins...How does all of this apply to contemporary Mormons??? Well, I have yet to hear of a single active temple Mormon openly condemn Brigham as a false prophet for teaching this).
I never made that comment, and you are correct, they are not unbelievers, they very much believe in what they are told, or believe in keeping the deception going depending on their role.
Your missive misses on very salient point, no matter how many times the Mormons speak of the name Jesus, by their own scripture it is not the same as the Christ of the Christian faith. So by those standards, the ones that count they are not following Christ either by their own choice or through deception by the very faith they support. So what the believe is wrong. Rather simple really.
If you know so much about the Mormon faith and understand Christianity you would know this, for it is very clear. The one thing Las Vegas Ron got right, no one gets to Father except through him. The correct him.
Of course the most interesting thing in all of your posts over the years is that if memory serves your spouse in LDS. You speak very highly of them and seem to take issue with those who say their believes are incorrect, which of course means you think they are valid. I know I have asked this to no avail before, but why are you not LDS yourself. It would lend far more “umph” to your argument if you would put your faith where your keyboard is...
I never made that comment, and you are correct, they are not unbelievers, they very much believe in what they are told, or believe in keeping the deception going depending on their role.
Your missive misses on very salient point, no matter how many times the Mormons speak of the name Jesus, by their own scripture it is not the same as the Christ of the Christian faith. So by those standards, the ones that count they are not following Christ either by their own choice or through deception by the very faith they support. So what the believe is wrong. Rather simple really.
If you know so much about the Mormon faith and understand Christianity you would know this, for it is very clear. The one thing Las Vegas Ron got right, no one gets to Father except through him. The correct him.
Of course the most interesting thing in all of your posts over the years is that if memory serves your spouse in LDS. You speak very highly of them and seem to take issue with those who say their believes are incorrect, which of course means you think they are valid. I know I have asked this to no avail before, but why are you not LDS yourself. It would lend far more “umph” to your argument if you would put your faith where your keyboard is...
Wow that's a new one on me. The Catholic decides for himself whether or not he or she can take communion "worthily". The LDS member must submit himself to a committee who checks his membership status, checks the treasury to make sure he has been giving 10% of his income to the Church and not smoking or drinking or going out in public without putting on his magic underwear. He must submit himself to a barrage of embarrassing questions about his personal life and affirm that Joseph Smith is a true Prophet of God and that the LDS Church is the Only True Church on the face of the planet in order to earn the privilege of going into the temple and having his private parts washed by some Temple helper.
Obviously you don't know enough about either Catholicism or Mormonism to judge either.
Don't compare Catholicism with Mormonism. They are not merely two different churches they are two different Religions.
New Agers believe in Jesus too...
Some of them have a Jesus for their spirit guide...
But they are just like the Mormons
They are not Christians...
Based on the first few comments you made here, I would say you know nothing of momornism or Christianity.
The mormon jesus was conceived by Mary having physical sex with a god.
The mormon jesus is a half brother of satan.
The mormon jesus is not sufficient for salvation.
The mormon jesus is second to Joseph Smith.
The mormon jesus is not pay the price on the cross but in the garden.
momornism teach that Joseph Smith is grater than their jesus.
mormonism teaches that jesus is not sufficient for salvation.
mormonism teaches salvation must be worked for.
mormonism teaches that god was once a man.
mormonism teaches multi-gods.
When mormons say jesus they are not talking about the Biblical Jesus.
This article is the best you’ve posted in my memory.
I wish that it could serve as a guide for discussion for all on FR.
"I always like to use the analogy of Jim Caviezel [In Mel Gibson's 'The Passion of The Christ']. Like the Mormon Jesus, he dressed the part, spoke the same words (in the original language, no less), and was referred to as Jesus Christ within a specific context, but it makes all the difference in the world whether one worships and depends upon him for their salvation or the genuine article."
I do not understand what you mean by this: / But I am not smart enough to determine which is which..
Who will be included in salvation and who will not..
If you know... well... God Bless You.. if not... God Bless you anyway...
I like things simple.. What is... “IS” and what isn’t..... “Isn’t”..
You, are weak, study your own FAITH, REMOVE THE LOG.
Oh?
IF one knows a bit more of the BIBLE other than a verse or two then...
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