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Unpaid Mormon Leaders Get a Pretty Sweet Deal [So-called 'unpaid' bishops get $100,000 in benefits!]
Mormon Coffee ^ | Jan. 31, 2013 | Sharon Lindblum

Posted on 01/31/2013 5:05:06 PM PST by Colofornian

Late last year (2012) a copy of the 2006 Mission President’s Handbook was posted on an individual’s blog site. This document, produced by the Mormon Church as a practical instruction manual for mission presidents, “contains basic policies and guidelines established by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles to help you lead your missionaries and direct the work” (6). The book is not intended for general readership; “general” readers have found that it contains some things that are surprising in light of the public face that the Church puts forth.

PaycheckOne such surprise is found in Appendix B, Family Finances. It begins,

“While you are serving as mission president, the Church reimburses the necessary living expenses for you, your wife, and your dependent children. Dependent children are defined as those who are under age 26, have not been married, and are not employed full-time. Living expenses include food, clothing, household supplies, family activities, dry cleaning, personal long-distance calls to family, and modest gifts (for example, Christmas, birthdays, or anniversary).” (80)

Additional reimbursable or paid expenses are also listed including (but not limited to) medical expenses; support for children serving full-time missions; dance lessons (and the like) for elementary and secondary school-aged children as well as their school tuition, fees and books; undergraduate college tuition; a gardener; a housekeeper; internet and other utilities; babysitters; transportation expenses including the use of a car and all fuel and maintenance expenses; and personal health and life insurance premiums.

The handbook instructs,

“The amount of any funds reimbursed to you should be kept strictly confidential and should not be discussed with missionaries, other mission presidents, friends, or family members.” (80)

One can only speculate about the reasons for this confidentiality among friends and family. But the mission president is also instructed to keep mum about these financial benefits to the taxman.

“Because you are engaged in volunteer religious service, no employer-employee relationship exists between you and the Church. As a result, any funds reimbursed to you from the Church are not considered income for tax purposes; they are not reported to the government, and taxes are not withheld with regard to these funds…

“To avoid raising unnecessary tax questions, please follow these guidelines closely:

“Do not share information on funds you receive from the Church with those who help you with financial or tax matters. Any exceptions should be discussed with the Church Tax Division.

“Never represent in any way that you are paid for your service.

“If you are required to file an income-tax report for other purposes, do not list any funds you receive from the Church, regardless of where you serve or where you hold citizenship.” (82)

Eric Johnson and Bill McKeever did some calculations on a hypothetical mission president serving in the state of Utah. This imaginary Mormon Church leader ended up with benefits equaling $99,500 per year. Furthermore, Eric Johnson writes,

“It must be mentioned that tithing on these items are not supposed to be paid. Unlike other church members, this family can receive temple recommends without paying tithing on “income.” Hence, for the value of this compensation, which we list here at almost $100,000, the tithe amount would be at least $10,000. So, this particular mission president—who, remember, is considered a “volunteer”—is getting compensation for at least $110,000! Not bad for someone who is not supposedly getting a wage!”

Indeed.


TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: benefits; bishops; inman; lds; mormon
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To: RFEngineer; Elsie

Or perhaps distilled or derived from such.

if there be capacitance for uh, storage. OR one can just disconnect the wires if one dares to "let 'em flicker"* and/or drink 'em on up.


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161 posted on 02/07/2013 8:16:29 PM PST by BlueDragon (...theres the ka-boom. good-nite Irene, good-nite)
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To: BlueDragon

If we keep this up; we will have successfully highjacked this thread into a pun place to post!


162 posted on 02/08/2013 4:55:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vendome
Sure. Create the thread and ping me.

It would be an interesting conversation and good exercise of the mind.



Definitely a good mental exercise, however with all the negative posts being aimed at the JWs, Mormons, and Muslims I would prefer to not start one that could become a negative thread against the Catholics.

Thanks for the invitation though. :(
163 posted on 02/08/2013 7:06:45 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach
But... I thought Mormons considered Catholics to be apostates of the first rank. The great whore of Babylon, and all that... They used to. Then again they were not the only ones not RC (and I don't mean royal crown cola) whom in the past hurled that accusation, nor are they the only ones whom continue to do so, though doing that seems to be abating overall in present American society (thank God?).

Personally, I think the accusation is a gross over-simplification, one which leaves "them" alone holding the bag.

Which makes the accusation inaccurate thus false. Another case of mistaken identity, for it includes the innocent among the guilty in the RCC (the wheat/tares thing) on the one hand, while excusing the guilty hiding among other innocents in Christian and other arrangements or groupings (the same or much similar wheat/tares thing) on the other hand.

Seems there's lots of that sort of "mistaken identity" thing going around...

164 posted on 02/08/2013 9:20:09 AM PST by BlueDragon (this is the police. we have the house surrounded. come out with your hands up)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

Catholics? I ain’t got a beef with them.

I abhor Moslems but am willing to discuss LDS but not their copycat JW.


165 posted on 02/08/2013 11:14:47 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: MeOnTheBeach

Never read the article but after your comment this morning I did.

LDS must have some creative lawyers but, I can see both sides on this.

At first look it appears they are indeed providing income, in that every expense for the family is reimbursed. Down to dance lessons, tutors, all food etc.

Then again, it could be said that is how the church operates and they can’t predict each families needs. therefore, they leave it up to the family to choose the living arrangements and care, rather than provide a fixed situation which soul preclude a large number of families in some years and be far to large for families in other years.


166 posted on 02/08/2013 11:33:11 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
Catholics? I ain’t got a beef with them.

I abhor Moslems but am willing to discuss LDS but not their copycat JW.


OOOPS My bad! The conversation got turned around to "one true Church" and Catholics got mentioned and I asked how they [Catholics] make the claim.

Then yada yada yada you were referring to the Mormons and I was talking about the Catholics.....

Sounds like a Seinfeld episode! heheh!

167 posted on 02/08/2013 12:34:46 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: svcw

So how does your home church support itself, if no one gives?


They do give, they do not pay, that is what Jesus taught.


168 posted on 02/08/2013 7:32:24 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Colofornian

I have read a number of posts in this thread, and would like to add the following.

This threads title miss-represents the original article from mrm.org. Mission Presidents are NOT Bishops. The original poster mixes apples and oranges for, I suppose, their own deceitful purpose.

Whereas there are almost 30,000 Bishops, there are only a few hundred Mission Presidents. The situation is wholly different, Bishops serve in same area they live and are employed. Mission Presidents are sent to locations all around the world and do not own a home in the mission or have a income earning job there. Mission Presidents voluntarily server full time. Bishops part time.

I see at church on the bulletin board, a list of open volunteer positions, the church is seeking to fill. I’ll have to take a closer look and see if mission presidents are on it, but I do know that all the positions listed give an estimated cost per month the volunteer will need to pay.
In that light, When I served my mission, I (parents) paid “X” amount a month to serve. On occasions the mission provide a car. I suppose it was a benefit. But factoring in what I was already paying to serve, was it really? When I served, I had to find housing and cover rent from my “X” amount. Today the mission arranges apartments and that is covered by the “X” amount the missionary pays.

My current calling permits or allows for me to seek re-reimbursement from the church for miles driven with my car in service. As I am financially OK, and filing is a burden, I decline to seek the reimbursement.
The above scales all the way up to the highest levels in the LDS church leadership. Mitt Romney is wealthy, and if had won the US Presidency, had planned to decline the Presidential salary (Like George Washington). For all the Church positions which do qualify for stipends and such, it is ultimately based on need.

The LDS claim of an all non-paid clergy references the congregational leadership positions, ie Bishops, branch Presidents, and Councilors.

I know our critics always see a glass half empty in regards to the Saviors church, and can only spin negative that which is other wise a righteous practice or concept.

I bare testimony that The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is just that, Christ’s Church upon the earth in these latter days. For those who seek and see such, it is a tremendous blessing unto them.

Yours in Christ, Brother Niv


169 posted on 04/07/2013 2:07:12 PM PDT by LDSareChristian
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To: LDSareChristian
Please note what I said in post #21:

The Lds church has 70 Presiding Bishoprics, do they not? These 70 Presiding Bishoprics are part of the 854 overall church leaders who receive a living allowance/stipend/salary (whatever game-playing people want to call it). See So How many Lds church leaders receive 'stipends'

170 posted on 04/07/2013 2:29:31 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: Colofornian

The corrupt government extorting us that work for a living for 40% of our pay is a problem. Everything else is a sideshow.


171 posted on 05/03/2013 11:43:53 AM PDT by soycd
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To: svcw

It is sad when people continuously bash something they obviously know nothing about.

1) Mission Presidents and Bishops are not even remotely the same thing

2) Bishops DO NOT GET PAID (in any way, shape, or form). My husband is a bishop - there is no paycheck received (nor reimbursement or “tithing breaks” or any other such nonsense that people are claiming)

3) Mission Presidents are asked to leave their homes, leave their jobs (something bishops and other church leaders are not asked to do), and move to a new place to lead thousands of missionaries. Because they CANNOT work in another job during their tenure as a mission president, the church provides for their family during this call.


172 posted on 11/28/2015 9:38:56 AM PST by missmandy
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To: missmandy

I know more about mormonism than you know.
My uncle was a bishop, he received about 35 grand a year in “reminbursments”. Please, don’t tell me they don’t get paid.
You have the talking points down pat, good job.


173 posted on 11/28/2015 2:42:42 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: missmandy

The 35grand was in the ‘70s.
It’s funny you are commenting on a two year old post.


174 posted on 11/28/2015 2:46:51 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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