Posted on 01/22/2013 9:28:25 AM PST by marshmallow
The Secretary of the International Lutheran Federation has rejected the proposal presented again about a day or so ago by the Prefect of the former Holy Office
An ordinariate for Lutherans who wish to re-enter into communion with the Vatican, whilst preserving their traditions at least partially? The idea of extending the solution offered by Pope Benedict XVI to groups of traditionalist Anglicans to followers of Martin Luther was suggested for the first time by the President of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity, Cardinal Kurt Koch.
But just as the proposal is being put forward again by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Mgr. Gerhard Ludwig Müller, it is beginning to trigger heated protests and concerns among the Catholic Church’s ecumenical partners –as happened with the Anglican Church.
The creation of an ordinariate – intended for those groups of Anglicans that wish to join the Catholic Church but also maintain their own identity – was “not Rome’s idea; it originates in the Anglican Church,” Koch said last 30 October. “The Holy Father looked for a solution and found a wide-reaching one which took into account the Anglican Church’s ecclesial and liturgical traditions. If the Lutherans made a similar request - he went on to say - we will have to consider their situation carefully. But the initiative remains in the hands of the Lutherans.”
The issue was recently addressed by Mgr. Müller. The German theologian chosen by Pope Benedict XVI to lead the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, recognised that the “Lutheran world is different to the Anglican one because Anglicanism has always had an element that is closer to Catholicism.” But this would not stop the Church from allowing Lutheran groups to convert to Catholicism, preserving “legitimate traditions developed” over the......
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We don’t “follow” Martin Luther. We follow Christ. Luther is in many ways inspirational but some of his teachings we reject utterly.
I bet this dovetails with my latest study of the early history of the Church.
I have yet to see any group or organization label itself "Papist".
So: are there any definitions of "Lutheran" given in that dictionary with which you disagree, or that you find offensive?
See #41.
(2) Catholics do not "pray to" the saints or Our Lady.
Nor do we hold to superstitions.
And both Lutheran and Catholic churches have statuary. They're not mosques.
Seemed odd, till I studied the history. Those churches came from Southern Germany/Saxony.
Of course: “Followers of Martin Luther” is equivalent to defining Roman Catholics as Followers of the Pope, or Papists. Martin Luther had a number of personal characteristics and beliefs which are not indicative of doctrine of Lutheran churches, just as Popes of the time had personal habits which did not reflect or become doctrines of your faith.
Seems to me the gist of the issue at hand is this: no single person or entity speaks for something called “Lutheranism”. Not individual Lutherans nor the heads of the various splinter synods. If individual Lutheran congregations (or even groups of congregations) became disgruntled with Lutheranism for whatever reason and approached the Vatican for an Anglican-type ordinariate, there would be nothing or no one within Lutheranism to stop them. If other Lutherans are confident in the truth of their beliefs, then they shouldn’t fear any type of voluntary exodus from their church. That’s what Protestants always say to Catholics, anyway.
I see...I am sorry for the exegesis :-)...I think Lutheran merely is the flavor of protestantism. I could be an Adams Republican, a Payne Libertarian, I am a doctor, but designate myself as a critical care anesthesiologist to delineate what kind of doctor I am...I suppose it is appropriate to refer to myself as an allopath to distinguish my practice and training from that of osteopath — both equal in the site of the license boards. I think it is not whom we follow, for we follow the triune God, but just designates the finer point of our philosophy...
I see...I am sorry for the exegesis :-)...I think Lutheran merely is the flavor of protestantism. I could be an Adams Republican, a Payne Libertarian, I am a doctor, but designate myself as a critical care anesthesiologist to delineate what kind of doctor I am...I suppose it is appropriate to refer to myself as an allopath to distinguish my practice and training from that of osteopath — both equal in the site of the license boards. I think it is not whom we follow, for we follow the triune God, but just designates the finer point of our philosophy...
I see...I am sorry for the exegesis :-)...I think Lutheran merely is the flavor of protestantism. I could be an Adams Republican, a Payne Libertarian, I am a doctor, but designate myself as a critical care anesthesiologist to delineate what kind of doctor I am...I suppose it is appropriate to refer to myself as an allopath to distinguish my practice and training from that of osteopath — both equal in the site of the license boards. I think it is not whom we follow, for we follow the triune God, but just designates the finer point of our philosophy...
But, ultimately, if “Papa Benny” doesn’t correct Cd. Koch, he affirms the rhetoric.
I’ll retract my criticism* if and when Benny makes a statement -pro or con- of Cd. Koch.(* a form still protected under the same 1Amend that protects the faithful practice of both the RCs and Lutrins!)
As to the Chicago style of my earlier post...it goes without saying that [in Chicago] if “Dick” Daly didn’t know about it, he isn’t culpable. In this instance, is Cd. Koch a “loose cannon”?
:: rather than going off half-cocked ::
Have you been talking to my wife? [wink, wink]
So ... is the definition “Lutheran = Folks who find Martin Luther inspirational” a step in the right direction?
I honestly didn’t know that there was any sensitivity about the name “Lutheran”, particularly since Lutherans themselves used it. And also since we have Franciscans, and Dominicans, and Augustinians, so it didn’t seem out of the pale.
But you’ve acquitted yourselves well in explaining it, and now I will know (and will hopefully remember!) to be careful about that usage in the future.
For the most part, I don’t mind.
Life is to short to be offended. But there is history in those terms.
OK, but if somebody starts singing “Kumbaya”, we’re taking the beer and goin’ home.
[Deleting an 8 paragraph explanation of Smalkald, Epitome X.]
Why do some parishes use ^white^ wine for the Sacrament of the Altar?
AB, please read that small exposition (SA-Ep X) for a really good explanation as to why Lutherans grudgingly accept the label of Lutheran.
:: OK, but if somebody starts singing “Kumbaya”, we’re taking the beer and goin’ home. ::
Okay...hang up your interwebz and go home. We have the post of thread!
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