11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[Elsie]

to turn your words on you...

[Al Hitan]

there's plenty of this to go around.

Indeed. In addition to your erroneous "proof" other examples can be found in the plethora of conflicting doctrines within Protestantism.

[Cronos]

Because it’s your self portrait.

[Cronos]

Jessie visited heaven and comforted Jesus!

Jesse Duplantis: "People told me, 'Well, they say, Jesus was poor.'  When was He poor?  I would like to know when He was poor.  Well, He was born in a stable.  Why?  Why was He born in a stable?  Because that short, deaf lady lost their reservation.  He couldn't get into the inn.  Think about that for a minute...And He had 12 full time people on His staff.  Some were married and He took care of them.  He had 70 part timers.  You don't gamble for rags Marcus."
Marcus Lamb: "Yeah."
Jesse Duplantis: "You don't gamble for rags.  You gamble for some clothes that cost.  Don't you?  He wanted a donkey that had never been rode.  As I said earlier, 'You might want a car that has never been drove.'
Marcus Lamb: "He had a full time treasurer on staff."
Jesse Duplantis: "That's right!  And stole for three years and the other guys didn't know about it."
Joni Lamb: "And wise men came to see Him."
Jesse Duplantis: "That's right!  I mean He wasn't three minutes on the ground and the three wise guys are looking for Him with what?  Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh.  Let me tell you something, this concept that Jesus was in poverty is totally wrong!" (Jesse Duplantis, Marcus Lamb, and Joni Lamb, Daystar Fall, "Share-A-Thon," September 15, 2004)

[CynicalBear]

Was Paul with the apostles when Jesus told them He would send the Holy Spirit that would “bring to their remembrance the things He taught? Wanna pick at more nits?

[Truth2012]

I keep seeing this article popping up in the feed- and I have got to comment. Can’t hold it in anymore. :)

Jesus is the word of God. He is the daily bread and the manna. Jesus is the light of the world. Without Jesus, we do not get the comforter. We need the Holy Spirit to be born again, and to enter into fellowship with God, and to be made righteous enough to dwell in paradise with our Father.

I pray that all believers, take the time to read the Bible, to invite the Holy Spirit, and to pray.

If, as this article states, Christianity is based on the writings of Paul, then your God isn’t big enough.

Christianity is based on our own ability to have a personal relationship with the creator of Earth and Heaven.

[CynicalBear]

Of course that’s what you have been taught. Catholic history is replete with evidence of what they do to anyone who disagrees with their dogma. It’s also a matter of history what they have done to the people they call a heretic.

Let’s put things in perspective here. The Catholic Church has been calling anyone who doesn’t agree with them heretics since its inception. Right here in this forum it’s a rather regular occurrence for Catholics to call anyone who doesn’t agree with the RCC dogma a heretic. It’s also a well known fact that the RCC has dogma that isn’t even in scripture nor is it supported in scripture. Anyone who has eyes to see understands that the Catholic Church controlled “religion” with an iron grip with dire consequences to anyone who dared disagree with them. And anyone who denies that the Catholic Church restrained anyone other than their indoctrinated leadership from access to scripture is simply blind to history.

Luther was called a heretic because after he translated the scriptures from Greek rather than rely on the erroneous Catholic translation into Latin he began to see error in RCC teaching and practice.

Excuses like “these were books that were altered” hold little weight since we have seen that anything that disagreed with Catholic dogma was considered heretical and attempts by the RCC to keep them out of the hands of the public were fierce and deadly. Luther and others who dared to attempt to understand the true intent of the writings of the apostles were threatened at least and often killed. To deny that the RCC restricted the availability of the public to have access to scripture falls on deaf ears with anyone who honestly reads or understands history.

[Cronos]

And it's also a matter of history of what the heretics taught and what those who left orthodoxy, what happened to their theories. Such as your theories, all of these died out, whether powerful like the Arians or Manichaeans or lesser. And now we see the Anglicans and Unitarians and other 1st and 2nd and 3rd generations dying out.

Don't you get it? These philosophies and yours die out, as they are built on sand, not solid bedrock, the solid bedrock of Christ, that orthodoxy is built on

[count-your-change]

I recall one Catholic poster claiming murder and torture was doing Christ's will and a purifying of the faith. Yet according to Catholic doctrine to justify such sins is to share in them.

What can one say in the face of such spiritual aridity.

[CynicalBear]

>> What Jesus promised in John 14:26 was a Paraclete.<<

paraklétos
Short Definition: an advocate, comforter, helper, Paraclete

The Holy Spirit was sent as all those but the apostles were told that He would “bring to their remembrance”. No one else was told that but we also know that the “advocate, comforter, and helper were also given to each believer and not just the “magesterium” nor was the “magesterium” promised that He would “bring to their remembrance”.

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

[CynicalBear]

Yeah right. Give me a break. The use of the word priest by the Catholic Church is simply an attempt to inject a false impression.

[CynicalBear]

>> Sorry, the Bible contradicts what you are saying<<

No it doesn’t. I have been clear when using the word priest as it is used in the New Testament. I have stated over and over that there is no use of the word priest as it pertains to “leadership” in the New Testament church. The RCC using the word priest as it pertains to their leadership is dishonest not sanctioned by scripture.

>> during the Eucharist, Christ IS present as the High Priest<<

Christ is present as the High Priest 24/7/365 to a true believer.

I John 3:24: "Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit which He has given us."

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Trying to restrict the presence of Christ to a single place and time is unscriptural and dishonest.

>>NOTE: the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder)<<

Nice try but I’ll stay with the intent of the language the apostles used and not Etymologies.

[CynicalBear]

Was it the Holy Spirit that inspired the writing of scripture or not? Were we as individuals given the Holy Spirit as an advocate, comforter, and helper or not?

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

Paul commended the Bereans for “searching the scriptures daily to see if these things be true”. It was rather clear that he understood that the scriptures were plain enough that the Bereans and we can easily ascertain whether what those who would propose to “teach” is true to scripture or not.

Yet Catholics on a daily basis it seems excoriate those who would take Paul who was inspired by the Holy Spirit at his word.

[CynicalBear]

>> These philosophies and yours die out, as they are built on sand, not solid bedrock, the solid bedrock of Christ, that orthodoxy is built on<<

Now that there is funny I don’t care who ya are when coming from a Catholic. Catholic structure is built on the rock Peter as we are daily told.

[Cronos]

Whatever you want to bicker about. At the end, the truth still hurts ya, eh? Your philosophy is doomed to failure like the philosophy of Mani, of Arius, etc. — because it’s not from God.

[Cronos]

It’s obvious to us who do not renounce Christ's teachings that cynics continually express belief in themselves and their own powers of sola interpretation rather than in Christ alone

your philosophy is more in line with that of Arius or Marcion, so no, it's not inspired by the Holy Spirit

[Religion Moderator]

Your carrying the dispute from thread to thread is making the discussion "about" the other poster and yourself. It is "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[CynicalBear]

>>Your philosophy is doomed to failure like the philosophy of Mani, of Arius, etc. — because it’s not from God.<<

Scripture is not from God? That is after all my source of truth rather than some made up magisterium. The writings of the Holy Spirit through the authors of scripture have endured much longer than then the so called magisterium and precede it by thousands of years.

[Cronos]

And context, context, context, read the preceeding and following lines

10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue.
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.

So, they did rely on a man's word initially -- two men, Paul and Silas who spread the Good News amongs them. Then they checked the OT to see if the references to the Christ were correct. And also, the Berean Church included GREEKS -- who wouldn't have read the scriptures as they were not of Jewish origin, they took the Gospel for what Paul and Silas preached, tradition alone, not scripture.

Furthermore, note what happened before -- in Thessalonia. There, "For three weeks he [Paul] reasoned with them from the Scriptures" --> THESE THESALLONIANS were cynical personal interpretation folks who disagreed with Paul and Silas' interpretation of scriptures (the OT) on the Christ.

Remember, both the Thesalonians in the passages before this and the Bereans were Jews who studied the OT for the references of Jesus being the Christ. Why did they study this? because of the ORAL TRADITION that Paul and Silas brought, claiming Jesus Christ was the Son of God.

The Thesalonians rejected this as "it weren't in scripture, cynical personal interpretation", while the Bereans accepted Holy Tradition, i.e. ORAL teaching by Paul and Silas.

if anything, the tale of the Bereans shows the error of cynical personal interpretation.

Remember, the Bereans AND Thessalonians had the Septuagint and nothing from the NT.

The Thessalonians stuck to cynical personal interpretation and rejected the oral teachings of Paul and Silas.

The Bereans did NOT stick to cynical personal interpretation and listened to Paul and Silas. They referred to scripture but accepted the ORAL teachings of Paul and Silas. And they believed.

This is an utter refutation of cynical personal interpretation.

[CynicalBear]

Well, how about you show us from the New Testament where the words strictly translated priest apply to the leadership of the New Testament church. Wouldn’t that be a very easy task if it were true?