The Bible - 73 or 66 Books? (Ecumenical Thread)

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[narses]

And then there is Saint Timothy.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “And you skipped over the part where Peter is given the authority to bind and loose?” <<

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Peter was given no such authority; he was given a command that what was bound on Earth would be that which was already bound in heaven.

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>> “And the evidence for this in scripture?” <<

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You pulled a switcheroo here! The evidence you requested (by placement) was the statement by Christ that he hated the nicolaitans, to which I directed you.

The facts concerning Paul replacing the “apostle” falsely appointed by men is in the Acts. Are you so unschooled in the scriptures that you are not familiar with the calling of Paul on the Damascus reoad?

[editor-surveyor]

The so-called “catholic church” is the wide gate that worships men and idols, and changes the appointed worship of God’s word to eliminate his appointed times and his sabbath, and useses the pagan celebrations of the winter solstice, and the worship of the false goddess Ishtar to replace them.

It paganizes the Lord’s supper with false priestly hocus-pocus with sun shaped cookies claiming to be the physical flesh of the Lord, rather than the spiritual remembrance that he said it was in John 6:63.

Following the plain word of God, rather than pagan oral ‘traditions’ leads one on the path clearly directed in that word.

If you wish to follow the third-hand utterances of men claiming to have received instructions in secret, not revealed in the word of God, be my guest, but do not expect that to be given any respect among those that study his word.

[editor-surveyor]

Some of the apocrypha are valid history, ans some are obvious, self-contradicting fiction.

None of them offer doctrine in a truthful manner.

[narses]

editor-surveyor wrote:

The so-called “catholic church” is the wide gate that worships men and idols, and changes the appointed worship of God’s word to eliminate his appointed times and his sabbath, and useses the pagan celebrations of the winter solstice, and the worship of the false goddess Ishtar to replace them.

I don't think so. Prayer and study leads me to the opposite conclusion. I am sorry you have not the same discernment.

editor-surveyor wrote:

It paganizes the Lord’s supper with false priestly hocus-pocus with sun shaped cookies claiming to be the physical flesh of the Lord, rather than the spiritual remembrance that he said it was in John 6:63.

Again, not by my plain reading of Holy Scripture, rather your claims are at total odds to what Holy Writ and history teach. Again, I am sorry for your inability to see what I so clearly see.

editor-surveyor wrote:

Following the plain word of God, rather than pagan oral ‘traditions’ leads one on the path clearly directed in that word.

Indeed, that is how I became Catholic. I wonder what happened to you?

editor-surveyor wrote:

If you wish to follow the third-hand utterances of men claiming to have received instructions in secret, not revealed in the word of God, be my guest, but do not expect that to be given any respect among those that study his word.

You need to get a mirror. Your words are directed to you, not me. Or so it seems to me.

[narses]

editor-surveyor wrote:

The so-called “catholic church” is the wide gate that worships men and idols, and changes the appointed worship of God’s word to eliminate his appointed times and his sabbath, and useses the pagan celebrations of the winter solstice, and the worship of the false goddess Ishtar to replace them.

I don't think so. Prayer and study leads me to the opposite conclusion. I am sorry you have not the same discernment.

editor-surveyor wrote:

It paganizes the Lord’s supper with false priestly hocus-pocus with sun shaped cookies claiming to be the physical flesh of the Lord, rather than the spiritual remembrance that he said it was in John 6:63.

Again, not by my plain reading of Holy Scripture, rather your claims are at total odds to what Holy Writ and history teach. Again, I am sorry for your inability to see what I so clearly see.

editor-surveyor wrote:

Following the plain word of God, rather than pagan oral ‘traditions’ leads one on the path clearly directed in that word.

Indeed, that is how I became Catholic. I wonder what happened to you?

editor-surveyor wrote:

If you wish to follow the third-hand utterances of men claiming to have received instructions in secret, not revealed in the word of God, be my guest, but do not expect that to be given any respect among those that study his word.

You need to get a mirror. Your words are directed to you, not me. Or so it seems to me.

[Psalm 73]

“Did you not realize Judas Maccabees lived over 150 years before Christ was born? This isn’t Judas Iscariot.”

I’m pretty good with history - why in the world would you think I’d confuse the two Judases?
Did you know that George Jefferson is not the same person as George Washington - even though they have the same first name?

[narses]

“Some of the apocrypha are valid history, ...”

According to editor-surveyor. I disagree. My opinion, based on prayer and study is just as valid as yours, no?

“...ans {sic} some are obvious, self-contradicting fiction.”

According to editor-surveyor. I disagree. My opinion, based on prayer and study is just as valid as yours, no?

“None of them offer doctrine in a truthful manner.”

According to editor-surveyor. I disagree. My opinion, based on prayer and study is just as valid as yours, no?

[Monkey Face]

Ah. Thanks. But does that explain why there are so many different versions of the Bible, with so many different wordings? Surely, something important and vital must have been left out of the more “user friendly” versions. Or am I mistaken?

[editor-surveyor]

Most of the “versions” of the Bible were created to make money. They had to make enough changes in the wording to get a copyright. Most of them are of no significance whatsoever.

[narses]

Catholic Bibles have 73 books, 46 in the Old Testament, and 27 in the New Testament. Protestant Bibles have 66 books with only 39 in the Old Testament. The books missing from Protestant Bibles are: Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel. They are called the ‘Deuterocanonicals’ by Catholics and ‘Apocrypha’ by Protestants. Martin Luther, without any authority whatsoever, removed those seven books and placed them in an appendix during the reformation.

The reason for their removal was that Protestant beliefs could not be reconciled to Sacred Scripture and thus, the idea of Sola Scriptura would have utterly failed as a Protestant tenet. The 7 books remained in the appendix of Protestant Bibles until about 1826, and then they were removed altogether.

[Salvation]

"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther

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[Monkey Face]

Ah. Thank you ES. I have several versions of the Bible, but my two favorites are the King James and the Rhiems-Douay (sp?). I prefer the latter, (though I haven't picked it up in a long while,) because of the Apocrypha.

I'm glad that you have such a “handle” on the Bible versions. I “knew” it, but didn't know how to elucidate. Thanks again!

[CynicalBear]

>>According to editor-surveyor. I disagree. My opinion, based on prayer and study is just as valid as yours, no?<<

Judith 1:1 While King Nebuchadnezzar was ruling over the Assyrians from his capital city of Nineveh,

Nebuchadnezzar didn’t rule over the Assyrians he was King over Babylonia.

2 Kings 24:1 While Jehoiakim was king, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia invaded Judah

So which one is correct? 2 Kings or Judith1? They can’t both be correct. In you study and prayer I’m sure you have the answer.

Tobit claims to have been alive when Jeroboam revolted in 931 B.C. and 210 years later when Assyria conquered Israel in 721 B.C. Then it says in Tobit 14 that he was 112 when he died. Oops!

So which is it according to your study and prayer?

[CynicalBear]

>>The reason for their removal was that Protestant beliefs could not be reconciled to Sacred Scripture and thus, the idea of Sola Scriptura would have utterly failed as a Protestant tenet.<<

You mean Protestant tenets that state scripture if truly inspired by God should not include contradictions within itself like I just posted to you in post 116?

[CynicalBear]

Obviously Luther was not correct in everything was he.

[narses]

“So which is it according to your study and prayer?”

That which the Church teaches and has taught for far longer than you have been alive .

Say, are you still claiming that Christmas is a pagan celebration? Or that Easter is? Then that claim about venerating the Cross as Idolatry, is that still your claim?

[narses]

Obviously CynicalBear was not correct in everything was he?