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To: editor-surveyor

Gabriel told Mary in December.

Yeshua was born in september.

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Here is what Luke says:

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And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.
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January was still the 1st month by the King James writers.


28 posted on 12/22/2012 9:28:01 PM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
January was still the 1st month by the King James writers.

Yes, but what of the original writers? Which calendar were they themselves using as framework? The Jewish calender is different. Not only in when it starts, but since it doesn't keep exact pace with the solar year, that introduces another variable. Add to that the change from Julian (which didn't keep pace either, but at a different rate of error than the Jewish) to Gregorian calender in the West, and it raises some question & doubt. The Gregorian has had some changes too, I think.

Not being able to read koine Greek (that of the age, or the later koine) or Hebrew or Aramaic, I can't solve the puzzle, personally. At the risk of calling in local cranks --- I think I've seen it attempted... and in another place possibly more correctly done, but cannot recall the outcome.It was said to be difficult to examine, and feel confident one had properly sifted the variables.

One place to start would be analysis of the oldest extant manuscripts? Where there any month "names" used in closely related texts? I don't *think* so, which might leave the question of which calendar the writers were at that time referring to? Jewish calender, or Roman?

29 posted on 12/22/2012 10:31:38 PM PST by BlueDragon (big hitter, the Lama)
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I isn't that straight forward, actually, as there have been lots of changes to the calendar and you need to know which one someone is referring to before you know what that equates to now. It's pretty interesting to read about because you could have something dated differently than you would expect by looking at the calander in common use rather than the legal calander or the religious calander in use at the same time.

In common usage, 1 January was regarded as New Year's Day and celebrated as such, but from the 12th century until 1751 the legal year in England began on 25 March (Lady Day). So, for example, the Parliamentary record lists the execution of Charles I on 30 January as occurring in 1648 (as the year did not end until 24 March), although modern histories adjust the start of the year to 1 January and record the execution as occurring in 1649.

Most Western European countries changed the start of the year to 1 January before they adopted the Gregorian calendar. For example, Scotland changed the start of the Scottish New Year to 1 January in 1600 (this means that 1599 was a short year). England, Ireland and the British colonies changed the start of the year to 1 January in 1752 (so 1751 was a short year with only 282 days) though the tax year has stayed as 25 March to this day (being 6 April in the new calendar). Later that year in September the Gregorian calendar was introduced throughout Britain and the British colonies (see the section Adoption). These two reforms were implemented by the Calendar (New Style) Act 1750.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

30 posted on 12/23/2012 12:12:46 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: JAKraig

No, you are completely wrong for two reasons.

First, the pagan catholic lies were generally accepted in all of Europe, and that pagan bias is prevalent in both the KJV and the Geneva.

Second, is that there was no process at that time to resolve the biblical years into our pagan calendar. The biblical calendar was a complete mystery at that time, partly due to the contrivance of Talmudic Jews in recreating the biblical calendar around the era of the renaissance.

We know that the fall fiests were the prophecies of Christ’s commings, and both were written, from Moses time, to be in the fall. All of the colateral information given in the gospels also only fits the fall, including the ‘wise men’ following Daniel’s revelation to their ancestors in Babylon regarding the constellation Betula.

One has to disregard all the obvious things that are known to swallow the DEcember 25 lie.


42 posted on 12/23/2012 10:41:38 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JAKraig; BlueDragon

***And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee***

The mention of the sixth month was a reference to ELISABETH’s pregnancy.

Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.


58 posted on 12/23/2012 12:45:50 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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