Handwringing about homosexuality

Renew America ^ | Dan Popp

[ReformationFan]

Christians are sometimes challenged as to why we so strongly oppose the normalization of homosexual behavior. After all, there are worse sins — and more imminent threats to national security.

Before I begin my answer, as I try to say whenever I write about this topic, the biblical view concerns homosexual acts — not homosexual people. The current paradigm that some are "born gay" seems to be less empirical than political. It's a weapon used to stifle discussion by intentionally confusing disapproval of a practice with hatred for a person. But even if people are born attracted to the same sex, they're still people. They are free moral agents having control of their urges. The ethical question stands.

So here's how many Christians think about this, and why we're so upset about the cultural slide toward acceptance of homosexual acts. In his letter to the Romans, Paul begins his "good news" by describing the quicksand of paganism:

... they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the

[Heff]

So sick of this “Gay is sin” debate.

The Bible also says not to judge others.... whether gays get into heaven is not our call... its God’s call. Secondly, the Bible says to live your life with love and forgiveness. In fact, there are far more references to not judging others, to being a loving person...Jesus tending to the worst of sinners and forgave them.

There are many behaviors that I find to be so much more damaging to our life, culture, faith and freedom....homosexuality isn’t one of them...we are not so divine to fix this issue... I thing this is one we let God sort out.

OK.... flame away!!

[Just mythoughts]

So sick of this “Gay is sin” debate. The Bible also says not to judge others.... whether gays get into heaven is not our call... its God’s call. Secondly, the Bible says to live your life with love and forgiveness. In fact, there are far more references to not judging others, to being a loving person...Jesus tending to the worst of sinners and forgave them. There are many behaviors that I find to be so much more damaging to our life, culture, faith and freedom....homosexuality isn’t one of them...we are not so divine to fix this issue... I thing this is one we let God sort out. OK.... flame away!!

Hey, the majority of Americans are just like your 'thinging'. I do not read from your words, you are the least bit concerned with what God said He would or would not do when individuals or a nations takes up the perverts agenda. Cause 'everybody is doing it' right? Well, you just like every other individual gets to make that choice, and each and every individual gets to give account for their choices. So don't wimp out when accounting time comes, take it like a 'man'.

[Mr Rogers]

Actually, we are required to tell those who reject God to repent. That means to change their ways. There is nothing biblical about ignoring the sin going on around us, anymore than we are allowed to ignore our own sin. ALL SIN is to be repented of.

There isn’t a debate about homosexual behavior being sin. It is. Take it up with God if you don’t like it. And we are to call all to repent and give their lives over to God.

God has already said that unrepentant sinners, including homosexuals, won’t go to heaven. The question isn’t if you sin, but if you have repented and asked God to change you into the likeness of Jesus...

[Jim from C-Town]

I think 4% is even high. Most reputable studies find it between 2% - 4% of the population as TRUE blatant Homosexuals.

It is an act that has been tolerated since the early seventies and nurtured since the eighties and is full blown championed since the new millennium. It always surprises me how few their really are, since they are the most vocal and annoying creatures in the human race.

Homosexuality is a mental disorder and needs to be treated as such. It has been proved time and again that these behaviors can be taught and they can be untaught. Thousands of Homosexuals have turned away from the gay life stile and have gotten married (to the opposite sex), raised children and in numerous instances have controlled their deviant sexual desires.

[turn_to]

He also said people that cheat on thier spouses, people who steal, people who get drunk, people who slander, along with the gay people.

[Jim from C-Town]

Of course that would make a vocal voting block of 10,200 people. A little more than the population of Michigan.

[Greg123456]

The key isn’t for gays not to act on their desires, it’s for their desires to change. How is that possible? I believe in some cases it’s posture. You see how gays hold books, cigarettes, etc? Very awkward feeling for a straight guy unless he slouches and extends his belly out. I think if we are taught to stand up straight when young and warned about the consequences we would reduce gay desires, at least among boys. Other benefits: Try to make your center of gravity on your back just below your armpits (by sticking your back out slightly at that point). You can pick up heavier items and can tolerate cold weather better.

[coincheck]

Saying that something someone does that is wrong is not judging them, but their actions. Judging them would be to condem them and their actions and be able to carry out the sentence, which only God will do.

I am sad that someone would choose this dangerous life style, one that shortens ones life by 20 years (avg) and continues to lead the nation in HIV and STD rates(CDC). This life style is damaging to those caught in its web, physically, mentally, and spiritually.

God has already stated His position on this issue, He has called it an abomination, and has condemed it. All the smoke and mirrors and quoting scripture out of context will not change His mind.

Believers, on the other hand should show Jesus forgivness and the ability to transform any life given to Him. We as believers should call it sin, and it is, but we also need to extend forgivness and grace just as we were given, freely.

Homosexuality is damaging to life, (disease and illness) culture (undermines the family, and marraige-the oldest institution on the planet between one man and one woman), faith (churches/comapnies/individuals already being sued for not giving in to the LGBT agenda)and freedom (not being able to speak ones view about this w/o being threatened with “sensitivity training” or outright fired, and yes it is happening)

God has already sorted this out. (see Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities of the plain, Gen 14)

[Cvengr]

IMHO, the social malady of homosexuality manifest today, is also a manifestation of spiritual warfare.

If there were no spiritual involvement, there are too many other lifestyles which oppose homosexuality which are also sinful, but would proliferate.

[FightforFreedomCA]

Posture? Are you serious?

[FightforFreedomCA]

Indeed, it is a very strong statement, but also a message of hope to those who read on to verse 11:

v11 And such some of you were [once]. But you were washed clean (purified by a complete atonement for sin and made free from the guilt of sin), and you were consecrated (set apart, hallowed), and you were justified [pronounced righteous, by trusting] in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the [Holy] Spirit of our God.

[Cvengr]

The list of the unrighteous who shall not inherit the Kingdom of God from 1Co 6:9-12 includes:

fornicators,
idolaters,
adulterers,
effeminate,
Sodomites,
thieves,
covetous,
drunkards,
revilers,
extortioners,

But even those who are such, are able through faith in Christ, to not be so condemned by turning away from such things and instead living through faith in Christ.

Romans 1:18-32 also associates the following behavior as unrighteous:

those who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
those when they knew God:
glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful;
became vain in their imaginations,
their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,
Worshiping that which is not blessed instead of God who is blessed for ever.

A reprobate mind is occupied with:
unrighteousness,
fornication,
wickedness,
covetousness,
maliciousness;
envy,
murder,
debate,
deceit,
malignity,
whisperers,
Backbiters,
haters of God,
despiteful,
proud,
boasters,
inventors of evil things,
disobedient to parents,
Without understanding,
covenant breakers,
without natural affection,
implacable,
unmerciful:

and
knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

[JouleZ]

Do you walk on water and feed the hungry whilst pronouncing and judging? That is one heck of a list of sins and sinners you made there! Jesus watches you, too.

[MachIV]

Or they engage in the false mantra of “if it wasn’t Jesus’ words(red letters)” it doesn’t count. I had someone even on this alleged conservative blog use that same argument once.

[zerosix]

Unfortunately, the bible also directs me to stand up against acceptance (or even "have nothing to say about....) such sins for if we do, we condone it.

That is the biblical "we" for the believers.

Those who are not believers generally fall into two camps: those accepting or participating homosexuals, or those who merely say, "life and let live, I don't care one way or another....."

Reminds me of those who claim if we "don't like abortion, don't have one."

For the believer, such is not our choice. According to scripture, I am commanded not to keep silent or merely to look the other way for to do so, for me is to accept the act as acceptable in the sight of God.

[jonrick46]

With the definition of marriage redefined, the state with its new found power, will undermine further the sovereign nature of the family, and the sphere of the church or religious community as well—the two spheres where divine and human rights independent of the state are located. This will come as an all out assault on hetero-sexism, or anything that seems to privilege the male-female binary or the nuclear family. It will enable the state to indoctrinate our children and deprive us of the power to intervene. The individual—men, women and children—will be reduced to be subjects of the state with no divine rights.

This is a part of the Marxist strategy. Human life must no longer have that transcendent importance that sets it above the state. Human life is now the property of the state to define as it wants and to use as it sees fit. The Constitution and our freedoms with their foundation in natural law are at stake. We must understand the serious nature of this fight. There will be no peace to be had by capitulation. As the love relationship of heterosexual marriage and the beginning of human life are being attacked by the Marxist’s effort to transform our society, one can only wonder what’s next.

[FreedomPoster]

>>The current paradigm that some are “born gay” seems to be less empirical than political.

People are born all the time with Down Syndrome / trisomy-21, yet no one tries to argue this is a normal, desirable event.

[circlecity]

"Do you walk on water and feed the hungry whilst pronouncing and judging? That is one heck of a list of sins and sinners you made there! Jesus watches you, too."

But, but, Jesus also said, "When you judge use righteous judgment" and that "when your brother sins admonishing him in love" and further, judgment only applies to individuals. All Christians are called to judge sinful behavior in the abstract as sin. As Chesterton said, absolute tolerance is just the complete lack of all conviction.

[Cvengr]

The list is provided directly from the verses cited.

Study it and how it is presented.

He provides outstanding truth in that presentation.

[ReformationFan]

Exactly. It amazes me that so many “libertarians” are for this. By its very definition, the homosexual agenda requires the expansion of the government, not the reduction of it(something libertarians claim they want).

Look at goals #24-27-

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm