Who is the Harlot AND Her Daughters?

12/3/2012 | self

[DouglasKC]

Question: In the passages below a harlot symbolizes something. The title on her head is "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." One of the titles is "the mother of harlots". This suggests that there are other harlots that have sprung from this harlot.

This is more curiosity then anything else...but what are opinions on what this represents?

Rev 17:1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
Rev 17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.
Rev 17:5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Rev 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Rev 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
Rev 17:11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
Rev 17:12 "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.
Rev 17:14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."

[EBH]

The only way I see this fitting is if the Jews submit to Islam and right now, that is not the case. Or they submit to the anti-christ...?

Yet, Revelation 18:4 tells us this as well:

“‘Come out of her, my people,’[b]
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
6 Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
7 Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;[c]
I will never mourn.’
8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

[G Larry]

You site one that does not!

There are NONE!

I’m not going to start copying lists for you!

[G Larry]

“guilty”?

At least I am correct!

Site one that proves me wrong.

[Syncro]

Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians

Assyria=Syria, Iran, Benghazi, Obama and Iran supporting Syria with weapons (Obama: Fast and furious Mideast style)

All playing into the hands of prophesy.

The Syncro-nization is phenomonol.

[G Larry]

That ain’t “Rapture”!
That is the Second Coming of Christ.

Rapture was invented in the 1800’s.

[Alex Murphy]

You site one that does not! There are NONE! I’m not going to start copying lists for you!

[G Larry]

Well funny man?

If you’re so certain I’m wrong, you should be able to provide a title.

[Syncro]

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To: G Larry

Would you care to site a Protestant writing on Revelations that doesn’t use it to bash the Catholic Church? I’ve got 20 on my bookshelf.

ROTFL

You said "all", and you put it in caps for added emphasis. And your proof is 20 unnnamed items on a bookshelf?

Name 'em.

It seems that G Larry is saying he has 20 books on his shelf that DO NOT bash the Catholic church. Case closed. (no wonder he won't name them lol)

Would you care to site a Protestant writing on Revelations that doesn’t use it to bash the Catholic Church? I’ve got 20 on my bookshelf.

ROTFL

You said "all", and you put it in caps for added emphasis. And your proof is 20 unnnamed items on a bookshelf?

Name 'em.

[Alex Murphy]

Too bad that the Bible is so inexcusably unclear on this point that honest, truth-seeking men have been forced to argue about it for centuries!

Related thread:
Evangelical scholars solve Book of Revelation's mysteries

[xzins]

All protestants do not use Revelation to attack the Catholic Church. Look up the background of Scott Hahn. He’s a fairly clear-cut case. Plus, there are many others, including me.

Also, a rapture of the church before the 2nd coming on earth does not deny the second coming.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

I’m thinking their last name is Kardashian.

[howlinhound]

The beast of Revelation is the United Nations and the harlot is the world empire of false religion. Notice that, at some point, the beast turns on the harlot and devastates her. Hence, the world governments (UN) will unitedly and violently turn on religion.

[Old Sarge]

Your own words: “ALL protestants.” Mighty big tar brush, that one.

[Cronos]

When God occupied the city it is the “Holy City,” but the verse clearly calls it the great city, yet in the same breath tells us it is where our Lord was crucified. So that means as long as ‘Sodom and Egypt’ occupy the the city...it is no longer the Holy City.

good point.

[Cronos]

the british empire is plausible -- a women riding a beast (Britannia)

And looking at the British empire creation of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and "Palestine" and Pakistan....

[Cronos]

interesting -- now evidently you don't remember the days of 2011 when there was at least 12 posts a day against the Church.

FR has been accused of being pro-nonCatholic, but this is interesting that you think it the other way around.

Most of us think it is pro-nonC because if you were to ask any of the standard crew of the non-Cs what they believe in, they'll hide behind "It's none of your business. No bringing personal matters..."

[Just mythoughts]

First one need know who this ‘anti-Christ’ literally is. Matthew 4:1-11; Mark 1:12-13; Luke 4:1-8 This was done NOT because Christ was tempted, but, to tell us who the instead of Christ would by demonstrating his method of operation. Peace, peace, peace, if we worship him, just like he offered Christ, while slightly twisting the Scripture.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which *deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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12 Therefore rejoice, ye heaves, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is com down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”

Now no particular religion or ethnicity were named it said the whole world... Christ said Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be *saved*: (Christianity is about salvation of ones soul/spirit intellect.) but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, ‘Lo, here is Christ,’ or ‘there;’ believe it not.

The first tribulation is the deception of not knowing who the first supernatural being that appears on this earth literally is. What agony to learn that even a Christian, who did not know, had worshiped the devil, that abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, was believed to be our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

[Cronos]

Well, actually the "Protestants" are those belonging to the original 3 groups that broke away from the Western Church -- namely Lutherans, Calvinists (Presbyterians, Reformed) and the Anglicans

The other groups broke away from them -- like the 3rd generation of reformatters included the Unitarians (in the 16th century) and the Wesleyans (in the 18th century) and the anabaptists (in the 16th century)

the Baptists broke away from the Anabaptists in the 17th, making them 4th generation reformatters

The fifth generation include the radical reformatters like the Christian Scientists and then the really weird groups like the Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons -- arguably, even though the latter 3 came from this 5th generation mileieu they are arguably not Christian

The 6th generation included the pentecostals

And now the 7th are the Word of Faith pentecostals and the Oneness pentecostals (those who deny the Trinity)

only the Lutherans, Presybterians, Reformed and Anglicans are really the "Protestants". All others are simply their own traditions or splits from those 3 traditions

[Just mythoughts]

Hey don't forget ‘babylon’ and the Russians, they have roles to play as well.