Posted on 12/03/2012 2:15:56 AM PST by DouglasKC
Question: In the passages below a harlot symbolizes something. The title on her head is "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." One of the titles is "the mother of harlots". This suggests that there are other harlots that have sprung from this harlot.
This is more curiosity then anything else...but what are opinions on what this represents?
Rev 17:1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
Rev 17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.
Rev 17:5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Rev 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Rev 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
Rev 17:11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
Rev 17:12 "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.
Rev 17:14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."
Eastern Orthodox and Latin Catholic’s are united in the Sacraments. That is most important and that will always lead us to work towards more unity
Orthodox and Catholic Similarities
Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church are very close together on other doctrinal matters. The Orthodox Eucharist, known as the Divine Liturgy, is fundamentally similar to the Catholic Mass. The most conspicuous differences are that the Byzantine rites are much longer (sometimes running to three hours) and more colorful; the Orthodox use bread made with yeast for Communion, whereas Roman Catholics use a wafer made of unleavened flour and water; and the Orthodox laity receive Communion in both kinds — that is, they partake of the consecrated wine as well as the bread, while Catholics receive only the latter (except in very special circumstances). The Orthodox Church has for many centuries permitted use of vernacular languages in congregational worship — a reform that the Second Vatican Council decreed for Roman Catholic Churches in 1963.
Like Catholics, the Orthodox observe seven sacraments: baptism, confirmation, penance, the Eucharist, holy orders, matrimony, and extreme unction. Baptism is administered by triple immersion, and is followed immediately by the rite of confirmation, which is called Holy Chrismation.
The Orthodox Church ordains married men to the priesthood, but once ordained a priest may not marry. Only celibates are eligible for consecration as bishops. The Roman Catholic Church recognizes the validity of Eastern Orthodox priestly orders, and a Catholic who is near death and unable to find a Catholic priest may make his confession to and receive extreme unction from an Orthodox priest. Orthodox priests are addressed as “Father.”
For Orthodox, as for Catholics, every Friday is a day of abstinence from meat, in commemoration of Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary. The Orthodox Church observes substantially the same holy days as the Catholic Church, but because of an ancient and complicated difference in the method of calculating the date of Easter, the Orthodox celebration of that festival, and of all the other liturgical holidays that are tied to it, often differs by as much as two or three weeks from the calendar of Western churches.
Orthodox worship has a strong mystical bent. One of its distinctive aspects is the widespread use in churches and homes of sacred images of Christ and the saints. These images — they may be paintings or mosaics — are called icons. Their purpose is to emphasize the living reality of the persons they depict. Praying before an icon, an Orthodox Christian is reminded that Jesus is not an empty name, nor an abstract concept, but one who was incarnate (embodied in human flesh and blood), and who still lives and reigns as Lord among his people. “There is in the Orthodox Church a strong feeling of the reality of the supernatural,” says one of its scholars. “There is no death, but life, whether upon the earth or beyond it.”
http://www.religion-online.org/showchapter.asp?title=1623&C=1569
Those without the mark can not buy or sell anywhere in the world.
The above is not enforceable by any church, but by something else.
You keep repeating these long posts about localized events. Irrelevant.
Do you understand what “global” means?
Global. What you posted is in reference to localized lying. It isn’t global.
Moreover, it isn’t a prohibition on truth-tellers being able to buy or sell.
Y’all aren’t thinking this through. Don’t be dumb. Don’t keep saying what you’ve been saying when it is so obvious that you were wrong all along.
Those without the mark are prohibited from all buying and prohibited from all selling worldwide.
Stop posting little tiny local examples of nonsense. If it isn’t worldwide, then it isn’t the mark.
India. China. Africa. Europe. South America. The U.S.
Indonesia. The Bahamas.
Worldwide.
No buying. Utterly no buying and no selling permitted to any person without the mark.
If it isn’t worldwide, then it is at most localized..and that isn’t the mark.
The Bible gives you the test. No one may buy or sell without the mark.
Not anywhere.
Not anyone.
Adjust your thinking accordingly.
Again, focusing on the things Rcs and EOs agree on, which being substantial, does not refute the fact that they are yet divided on substantial things, even if they can engage in discourse about it. And which was the point you consistently ignore, as you did in the previous issue.
And there are RCs on FR looking to convert the EOs to Rome because of these differences: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2842523/posts#10
We are united in Sacraments,especially our belief in the TRUE PRESENCE of Christ,Body ,Blood ,Soul and Divinity, in The Eucharist, which is SUBSTANTIAL.
Because of this you’re an anti Orthodox and are considered a heretic by the Orthodox and Latin Catholics. We are united in this!
You should spend your time trying to fix the far more differences in protestantism verses protestantism rather than waste your time on something that is closer in unity with each other like Orthodox and Latin Catholics
Yes, I have studied it extensively, but you obviously have not. Anti-Catholic websites you link to do not count as legitimate study, but rather maleducation. And FYI - those cartoon depictions of the Inquisition are not actual photos, they are the renderings from the imagination of rabid anti-Catholics and no more accurate than the comic books put out by Jack-you-know-who.
You have been evading admitting the substantial differences as you seem to be driven to defend Catholicism at all costs.
You can claim that your unity is greater than your differences, as can those who have found a unity that is of the Spirit thru a shared Scripture-based conversion and relationship and attendant truths, which they did not find in institutionalized religion Catholic or Protestant.
Which lack is what most converts to evangelical faith testify to as the reason for leaving.
You care. You post to further your own agenda based upon your own misinterpretations, and I trampled all over your feigned expert authority by showing that your view was in error.
The mark is global, not local.
The mark is universal, not Euro-centric.
If anyone doesn’t have the mark, they can’t buy...anything.
It is an easy test for the End Times.
Is there a global mark? Without that mark, no one on this planet can buy anything?
Simple.
The mark is global. Every person on this planet without the mark will be banned from buying anything, even food.
Global.
The Church does not have that power to control global trade such that *any* man without the mark would be denied all commerce, even food.
So the Biblical test reveals you to be a false prophet.
If a single person in the darkened jungles of South America can buy food without a mark on his hand or forehead, then whatever is being discussed is not the mark.
The mark will be universal. Global. No exceptions.
you mean a unity between Assemblies of God and Oneness Pentecostals and Seventh Day Adventists?
Even the Jehovah's Witnesses claim Scripture-based conversion and relationship and attendant truths and yet have no "unity" with you -- neither do Oneness Pentecostals with whom you disagree on the fundamental nature of God - they reject the Trinity and you I presume don't.
Would you like us to burn them at the stake? -- no, they're not the witches at Salem. If you want to, ok, your choice, I don't agree with it in this day and age and don't see the need for it with our modern sensibilities
And you are extrapolating freely from what I said -- which was simply the free interpretation has led to the British-Israeliism as discussed above...” -- you can't disagree that free interpretation has led to this, can you?
More than that I have not said -- you have extrapolated and added in your own statements to repeal the 1st, to burn at the stake etc.
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