Posted on 12/03/2012 2:15:56 AM PST by DouglasKC
Question: In the passages below a harlot symbolizes something. The title on her head is "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." One of the titles is "the mother of harlots". This suggests that there are other harlots that have sprung from this harlot.
This is more curiosity then anything else...but what are opinions on what this represents?
Rev 17:1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
Rev 17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.
Rev 17:5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Rev 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Rev 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
Rev 17:11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
Rev 17:12 "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.
Rev 17:14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."
you’re confusing this religion with something else. What false prophet do you think SDA’s follow?
I don’t think that you totally understood my answer. At the wedding of Cana, Mary interceded for the bride and groom who had run out of wine.
What did she tell the servants? “Do whatever he tells you.”
She always directs our prayers of asking/petition to her son.
Another thing — the Blessed Virgin Mary and the saints are alive in heaven. Bodies may die, but souls remain alive. They CAN and DO pass on our prayers.
Did I clear up your doubts?
Well, simply because if you read the context of that verse in 1 Thes, it is talking about the resurrection of those who are saved. Verse 14 says they “sleep in Jesus”, and verse 16 calls them the “dead in Christ”. They are one with Christ, because they believe, just like the living believers who remain alive at the 2nd Coming, who they are compared with.
Verse 16 specifically says that they rise after Christ descends from the heavens, and this occurs at the 2nd coming. In Rev 20, we read that those who are part of the First Resurrection live and reign with Christ for a thousand years, before the Second Resurrection takes place. So, because the passage in 1 Thes specifically mentions the 2nd Coming, it cannot be the Second Resurrection, since that would happen at least a thousand years later.
all I can say is.....wow. Totally not found in the Bible. Anywhere.
Praying to the dead is for mediums and against the Bible. No one (except Christ, and possibly Elija and Enoch) are in heaven. They are dead and awaiting His 2nd coming. That’s why the Bible says upon Christ’s return ‘...the dead in Christ will rise first’. They are still in the grave.
This is the problem when people do not study the Bible and depend on priests to tell them what’s going on. They are being misled.
Where in the Bible does it say that any saints hear our prayers to pass them on?Do you think they sit on clouds watching us like a tv game show?
he thief is in heaven isnt he?Didnt Christ promise him he would be there that very day?
No. No one has been judged yet so no one’s in heaven. The Bible is very clear that we don’t go with Him until His return.
The thief on the cross was told by Christ he would be with him in paradise but no one has gone yet.
When the Bible was written there was no punctuation used. It was later that punctuation was added and it can change the ‘meaning’ of a sentence. Hence when Christ told the thief ‘I tell you TODAY you will be in paradise with me’, if you put the comma before the word today, it has a totally different meaning than if you put it AFTER today.
this is a pro-Catholic site.
Captain Obvious. The Catholics flood the religious side of FR. Being as how this is an American conservative site, you’d almost think the RCC represents American religious conservatism. Wrong, its the Protestants who vote conservative, not the RCC.
A quick glance at the thread titles here should prove this beyond all doubt, beginning with something about the Pope (going by the title), 16 of the first 18 threads are RCC. I stopped counting after that.
A quick glance at the thread titles here should prove this beyond all doubt, beginning with something about the Pope (going by the title), 16 of the first 18 threads are RCC. I stopped counting after that.
This "flood", as you call it, can be easily countered by non-Catholics posting threads of their own and bucking the trend. Start as many as you like! There's no shortage of space on the Religion Forum. If you don't like the content that others offer, the solution is found right behind the post link. Create your own discussion! I've personally posted 3,999 threads in the last ten years - how many can you post?
I see that you are not a Trinitarian, but you acknowledge the deity of Christ. Are you a Oneness Pentecostal? Why not offer an apologetic/educational thread on your distinctive beliefs, for starters?
“No one (except Christ, and possibly Elija and Enoch) are in heaven. They are dead and awaiting His 2nd coming.”
Well, I wouldn’t say no one except they are in heaven, but rather, we have no sure means to know that anyone else is in heaven yet. God could have translated, or prematurely resurrected, anyone that He wanted, and just not told us about it. Still, if we don’t know, then I’d say it’s better to err on the side of NOT sinning, and stick to praying to God.
That argument won’t win over the Catholics, however, because they believe that the Catholic Church can know who is in heaven, since they believe that the Catholic Church has the keys to the kingdom. They believe that if someone is made a Saint by the Church, then God honors that in Heaven, so there is no room for error and praying to the dead, as long as they are praying to Church-approved saints.
"18. The Gift of Prophecy: One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)"
Thanks, I must admit it has not crossed my mind to do a Christology thread on a Catholic site. I’m sure it would be interesting. I usually chime in with Protestants when there happens to be one of those rare threads that is not RCC.
Your reference contains 21 pages in chapter 6 on The Book of Revelation.
He’s not so much interpreting its meaning as he is it’s timing, insomuch as he’s contesting Bertrand Russell.
1st, this IS the Second Coming of Christ, which clearly follows the Tribulation, and not an event preceding or interrupting the Tribulation.
2nd, it is very public and audible, rather than secret or hidden from those not “raptured”.
WRT - 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
1st, this IS the Second Coming of Christ, which clearly follows the Tribulation, and not an event preceding or interrupting the Tribulation.
2nd, it is very public and audible, rather than secret or hidden from those not “raptured”.
From Baptist pillar
Because Seventh Day Adventists do proclaim many precious truths from the Word of God, some believers do not realize how much error is also included in their teachings.And you can go to ex Adventists homeThere is a vast difference between Seventh Day Adventists and Biblical Christianity
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS HAVE A FALSE PROPHETESS - Ellen G. White. Adventists officially state, "As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth and provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction" "The Dallas Statement 17" (emphasis supplied). Ellen White's writings are called the "Spirit of Prophecy" and "The Testimony of Jesus".he pioneers of the Adventist church did not. James White (husband of their prophetess Ellen G. White) and Uriah Smith, author of “Bible Readings For The Home,” “Daniel and The Revelation,” books Adventists still circulate today, both shared the same Arian beliefs. They did not believe that Jesus was God.Adventists believe SATAN BEARS OUR SINS: "It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).
If you got a problem with the concept of Seventh Day Adventism, argue it with Ellen White..
Do Seventh-day Adventists teach Jesus is Michael the Archangel?
Yes, Seventh-day Adventists share this belief with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Adventists are very firm in their belief that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. They must take this position because this is what their prophetess, Ellen G. White taught. They also believe that Jesus is God. There is a glaring contradiction here. Hebrews 1:13-14 says that Jesus is not an angel.
from here
Seventh-day Adventists desperately want to look like, sound like and be accepted like evangelical Christians. The problem is they don’t believe like evangelical, Bible believing Christians. -- as an SDA, spacejunkie, what do you say to this?
In 1994 the Seventh-day Adventists did publish an Adventist paraphrase of the Bible, “The Clear Word Bible”, done by Adventist pastor and scholar Jack J. Blanco. This paraphrase has made huge changes to the Word of God. Large portions of Scripture have been altered to support Adventist distinctive doctrines. Passages of Scripture that refute Adventist false teaching have been “edited” so that they are rendered ineffective. This paraphrase is much worse of an attack on the Bible than the Jehovah’s Witnesses New World Translation or Joseph Smith’s (Mormon) “Inspired Translation of the King James Version”.
The 1800s was a time of change and the creators of the Adventists, J's, Ms , CS' thought they could use this to dupe people
Seventh Day Adventists just rehashed the old, forgotten yet debunked theory of Arianism
ok, thanks...
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