Posted on 11/19/2012 5:43:55 PM PST by kjam22
Interesting discussion yesterday with a variety of opinions. Just curious what some here might believe and why...
LOL.... today Obammy (Joe’s homeboy) promises them cell phones. Back then Lucifer had to promise them that they would be “Like God”. Not sure which 47 percent is the dumbest.
NO. YOU thought that, not bramps! And as you admit, you ASSUMED.
Why would a loving God do that?
Volition is not an imperfection.
Jesus Christ had volition (free will) and opted to perform the will of the Father.
Study the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union.
He is also a Holy God, whose Holiness is comprised of His Perfect Righteousness and His Perfect Justice.
When Satan and a third of the angels fell from the Garden of Heaven, they were cast out of a perfect environment. This is paralleled in the fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden, when Satan became the ruler of this world.
Satan’s works though were destroyed by the work of Christ on the Cross, freeing mankind from the slave market of sin through faith in Christ.
A loving God does this to show all Creation the Perfect Righteousness in His Perfect Justice and will be glorified in the Son when He Judges the work of all fallen and elect.
He’s the loser and he knows it.
Revelation 12:12
“Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
He knows He is condemned, but he still believes he will make himself as the most High. He isn’t stupid. He’s very intelligent, but very arrogant, and righteously condemned.
Now he is just trying to get as many souls sucked into hell before his time runs out.
That’s true.
But don’t you think Satan works to block people from knowing God in a stuggle for man’s allegence and to tempt those who have found God, to fall away from Him?
I think Satan is in a mighty struggle to keep souls from God. I think he also works to debase and corrupt mankind in perception, thought and behavior. Because we are fallen, we are easy marks.
So. . .God is not sovereign? He’ll be surprised to find out. You tell him. LOL!
He was made perfect. He also had free will. Perfect does not mean unable to do evil. That is a programmed robot that can only do what it is programmed to do. Morals and love and loyalty and choice and right and wrong would be meaningless terms.
If God wanted things that would love Him, want to be with Him, He could have made them be unable to say no, but you know and I know they’d have no choice but to - and you know that means they would not be real people making a genuine choice to voluntarily love God on their own. God knows that too, and it wouldn’t be real. Free will/choice inherently means a person can say no to God, which means free will is potentially why there is evil in the world. But it also has to be this way in order for people to exercise that ability to make a genuine yes or no decision about God. And that’s their decision, not God’s. If you deliberately crash your car it isn’t the fault of the auto manufacturer.
Lucifer certainly thought he could at the first go around.....delusions tend to repeat themselves. Lucifer has been waiting hoping that this next time it will be different. Fortunately it won’t be
This is my conjecture, I don’t claim it’s correct, but you asked for opinions and this is what I sincerely feel in my spirit,
We don’t know how to count a Jubilee, and we don’t know with certainty when it should apply, but God does know. God knows how to restore his people to the land when the ‘fulness of time’ has come. Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria have been restored since June of 1967 and will certainly align at some future time with the necessary days to complete a Jubilee on a future Yom Kippur as Leviticus Ch 25 requires. A Jubilee ultimately to restore to this physical Earth all that was lost in the fall. Jesus is the Jubilee made flesh, he is the Law and the Tabernacle that dwelt among us. And we’re told by Peter its the Jubilee, “Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” Acts 3:21
I believe this is what Satan is doing, and these are the times and laws that Satan seeks to change, to prevent from coming to their fullness as Daniel was shown in Ch 7:25-26, but ‘the judgement shall sit.’ This court is shown again in Revelation Chapters 4 and 5, after the Church age, just as the events surrounding the final disposition of the Earth are about to begin. Jesus is taking legal ownership of the Earth, what Adam involuntarily surrendered to Satan is being restored by God,
In Isaiah Ch 24:5 we’re told “‘The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.” The nations have divided his land as we’re told in Joel Ch 3. This is (I believe) how and why Judgement comes to the world.
And what if God should call a Jubilee himself? As he did in Jeremiah Ch 34:17 and aligns his return using the requirements set out in Leviticus Ch 25 and Daniel Ch 9 counting from a restored Jerusalem the second time, and then he proclaims it himself like he did when he read from Isaiah Ch 61:1 in the synagogue in Nazareth, when he took that Jubilee to redeem the world and to make an end of sin. What if this time, with another Jubilee, Jesus now reads from Isaiah Ch 63:4, “the day of vengeance is in Mine heart, and the year of My redeemed is come.”
Principalities and powers, knowing Gods redemption plan is almost complete, are trying to hinder, prevent and destroy a restored Israel because their ruler (Satan) knows Gods plan to restore everything includes specific legal actions from Israel at the end to call for their promised Messiah, and will if fulfilled, include their eternal imprisonment in the Lake of fire. There is much more to what Satan wants (I conjecture) if he can get this world legally under the Law with no heirs to be redeemed, that involve the same events that occurred in Genesis Chapter 6,
Satan knows God has almost completed the requirements of the Law upon Israel and is about to “seal up the vision and the prophecy” from Daniel 9:24 Its the Jubilee. Satan is attempting to undo the redemption work of Jesus over the flesh and the Earth, he’s lost whatever authority he had in the spirit on the Earth, and he wants the Earth because without it he has nothing, and no more time. Walled cities did not go out in the Jubilee release, this is why I believe were told Jerusalem must be handed over for 42 months as it says in Revelation chapter 11.
This is (I suspect) also why Satan’s place is no longer found in heaven, he has been permitted in Heaven to accuse Gods people. He is trying to undo the work of physical redemption and its why he’s thrown out and the war rages. Whatever spiritual battles are happening now and I believe it to be considerable. I suspect that its nothing compared to what begins when we see Jerusalem divided, the ordinances and laws broken and Satan finally cast down to the Earth.
“Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” Revelation 12:12
I believe Satan is to God what Slugsworth was to Wonka..
...In the end days he’ll work fast and furious to reap souls...
Pastor Mike Hoggard has a couple of presentations that back up your fast and furious assertion. And it’s in a field most people do not yet think of as capable of deception on such a grand scale.
The most recent: http://watchmanvideobroadcast.com/video/wvb120930_rewriting-the-book.html
Link to the video he suggests you see first, Jesus Christ, DNA and the Bible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDH6ruRheyk
A Jubilee is defined in Leviticus 25:8-12. Also found this interesting article posted on FR. http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/12th-century-rabbi-predicted-israels-future/ Enjoy and God Bless.
His Sovereignty is also known as His Volition.
God doesn’t tempt. Sin is anything but God’s Plan.
I promoted you to ‘God’. You tell me.
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