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To: Swashbuckler99

You wrote:

“If “Purgatory” is real, why isn’t it mentioned specifically in the Bible?”

Why isn’t the Trinity specifically mentioned? Why isn’t the Bible specifically mentioned in the Bible? Why aren’t we specifically told in the Bible that Matthew wrote a gospel?

“If “Purgatory”, the idea that man can finally be made perfect, is real ... then why did Jesus need to die on the cross for our sins?”

(sigh) You do realize that Jesus’ death is what powers Purgatory, right? Thus, your question mnakes no sense. Purgatory could not exist without Jesus’ death on the cross.

“I suggest you go back and re-read Ephesians 1 to understand God’s plan. Man cannot save himself.”

I suggest you learn what Purgatory is before you post about it. Clearly, from your questions and suggestion, you do not know what it is.

“May God illuminate our hearts and minds to His true Word.”

May God teach you enough humility to look up what a doctrine actually is before you start posting against it on the internet. That would make you not only more knowledgable, but less foolish looking.


8 posted on 11/02/2012 5:41:32 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

You wrote:

“Why isn’t the Trinity specifically mentioned? Why isn’t the Bible specifically mentioned in the Bible? Why aren’t we specifically told in the Bible that Matthew wrote a gospel?”

You’re making a logical fallacy - false comparison. You’re attempting to equate non-Doctrinal terms with a Doctrinal term. While the Trinity (as a doctrine) is not called “the Trinity” in scripture, we see its definition over and over again in the term “Godhead” (Acts 17, Romans 1, Col 2). We see Jesus Christ telling his disciples to baptise them “in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost” (Mat 28:19-20). What we do not see is any reference, directly, to any ‘supernatural realm’ called Purgatory. Your other two rhetorical questions fail to substantiate your point by the same faulty reasoning.

“(sigh) You do realize that Jesus’ death is what powers Purgatory, right? Thus, your question mnakes (sic) no sense. Purgatory could not exist without Jesus’ death on the cross.”

(sigh) You do realize that Jesus’ death and resurrection is what NEGATES THE POSSIBILITY of “Purgatory”, right?

‘Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;’ (2 Cor 3:5)
‘And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.’ (2 Cor 12:9)
...and...
‘And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:’ (Hebrews 9:27) Note that it doesn’t say, ‘after this, the Purgatory’ or anything like it.

If you really want to get into it, look at the theological reasons behind why God commanded the Old Testament Israelites to make sacrifices for their sins. They purified themselves, came to the high priest, confessed their sins, made their sacrifice, and went their way. They did NOT enter into a special area or ritual to then flense themselves or otherwise try to add anything to the atonement process. When Christ died on the cross, He became our sacrifice. We either accept that, or we do not. Christ, while He was dying for my sins and yours, uttered seven recorded statements. The last one was, “It is finished” (John 19:30), and not “I’m done here, but you still need to atone for your sins to be made perfect.”

This is, essentially, the same old ‘Catholic vs. other Christian beliefs’ argument that has existed since the the years after Christ’s ascension and the church began to spread. Christ is either God (i.e. part of the triune Godhead) or He is not. Therefore, His death was either all-sufficient, or it was not. Man, however, keeps wanting to add to this - hence the idea of Purgatory, because salvation by the remission of sins apparently doesn’t clean us up enough to stand before a Holy God. Guess what? NOTHING that we attempt to do, no “pennance”, no amount of time to correct our wrongs, no matter how sorry we are ... nothing can ever be enough to get us to a point where our righteousness is enough to stand in God’s presence. It is ONLY through Christ that we can accomplish this. Christ alone.

“I suggest you learn what Purgatory is before you post about it. Clearly, from your questions and suggestion, you do not know what it is.”

Clearly, I know all about what Purgatory is and what it isn’t. I know that it is an idea concocted by man, and I know that there is no scriptural basis for it.

“May God teach you enough humility to look up what a doctrine actually is before you start posting against it on the internet. That would make you not only more knowledgable, but less foolish looking.”

I pray that God continues to grant me more humility, and also more wisdom. I also pray that He continues to embolden me to confront unBiblical doctrines, and to encourage others to hear what the Bible says without seeking to add to it or to take away from it.


15 posted on 11/02/2012 7:13:42 AM PDT by Swashbuckler99
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