Posted on 10/18/2012 1:07:42 PM PDT by newheart
LOL, yep, post 18 clearly applies to you, as you just revealed by ignoring my posts and creating a new straw dog.
You can vote as you please, but you do not have to promote, or defend, or protect, or serve as a buffer for Mormonism, to pull a lever.
The pressure to lie down and be silent will only increase as the years go by, as the right joins the left with cries of bigotry and being religious fanatics, directed at those who stand up to Mormonism.
i keep saying this is a vote between Xerxes and Mohammed. xerxes won’t kikll you because you aren’t xerxes’ religion.
Granted, Mohammed is worse if we are talking physical, but as a deceptive enemy of Christianity, Xerxes is worse. I doubt there is even one FReeper who is deceived by Mohammed, tons of them are being set up, however, for Xerxes deception. From a Christian standpoint, deception is worse.
Xerxes had plenty of other reasons to kill you...
“So can we assume that you will be voting for Obama (either actively or passively) enabling his continued shredding of the Constitution, rather than take the risk of voting for a Mormon?”
By not voting for either, you are not voting for Obama any more than you are voting for RINOmney. As to “enabling”...
The odds of your vote mattering are small. If your state is strongly pro-red, it won’t matter. If your state is strongly pro-blue, it won’t matter. If your state is anything else, the odds of your vote being the deciding vote are extremely tiny.
I have no hope that a RINOmney presidency would restore the Constitution in this country. RINOmney isn’t even talking about the loss of Constitutional freedoms. It is apparently an insignificant issue to him and not worthy of mention.
First, I have not ignored your posts. Second, to accuse me (and apparently anyone who disagrees with you) of acting as a cover for Mormonism is patently absurd. I am not promoting, defending or serving as a buffer for Mormonism. In my opinion, in addition to its clearly fraudulent origin, it's cosmology, its soteriology, hamartiology and eschatology are all wrong. I am vocal about that in numerous venues and open about it with Mormon friends and acquaintances.
I worked in the Salt Lake area for about 5 years. The company was 2/3 Mormon. I spend an extraordinary amount of time in discussion with a very proselytic group of people. Instead of raising doubts, my own faith was strengthened in the process. I have read and studied Mormonism. Probably not as much as you, but enough to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mormon theology is not the same as orthodox Christianity. I have never claimed that Mormonism is Christian and I would not make that claim. I am familiar with mainstreaming and yes, the LDS church will take every possible advantage they can in the event of Romney's election.
But, at the risk of creating a straw man (as opposed to a straw dog) you seem to be suggesting that a vote for Romney is the same as approving of Mormonism. And that anyone who considers it is, knowingly or not, acting in concert with the cult and its triumphalist ends. Quite the contrary. Instead, my position is based on the first amendment (which I believe is based in respect for the free will which is a gift of God, given without repentance to every human being). The freedom of religion is sacrosanct in this nation as long as our Constitution is held in high regard. I respect the decision of someone else to practice their faith even when I believe they are misguided.
So if I compare the faith of Barack Obama to the faith of Mitt Romney I find both to come up short. But I do not get the impression that Mitt Romney has any intention to impose his faith upon the nation, and even if that is his intent, there are checks and balances in place to prevent that. As the article points out, there are numerous values that I share with the Mormons, as I expect you do as well. But unless you are a straw dog of the left, I seriously doubt you agree with the religious underpinnings of the faith of Obama. I am not talking about his espoused Christian faith which has very little to do with his political agenda. Instead it is the utopian, redistributionist, government as provider, faith that has consistently lead to the demise of nations and the deaths of millions at the hand of totalitarian authority.
Against the fruit of that agenda, proven over and over in history, I will gladly vote for a Mormon. You are right, I do not have to defend Mormonism to cast my vote for him. But I seriously believe that to vote for Obama or to refuse to vote for Romney is indeed the same as casting a vote for the political death of this Republic.
And the more people we can convince of that, the more likely we will see 4 more years of Obama's agenda, after which it may not matter if we hold elections at all.
“And the more people we can convince of that, the more likely we will see 4 more years of Obama’s agenda, after which it may not matter if we hold elections at all.”
Still true, regardless of your fears.
The fundamental issues have not been addressed by R or D Presidents. So yes, it may not matter anyway at this point. Perhaps this is why only half the country votes. Either way we continue to become a European socialist state.
You keep challenging my posts indicating that you disagree with them and are hostile to them, yet you only keep using straw man arguments which don’t involve my posts at all.
What have I posted that keeps getting this reaction from you, what are you disagreeing with that I have posted, what specifically in my posts are you reacting so strongly to?
Perhaps I should say its more a Cyrus the Great vs Mohammed. Cyrus didn’t persecute those he was over who wasn’t his own religion.
“How can you compare a mere Christian, an ordinary pew sitting Catholic, to the equivalent of JFK’s Bishop?”
I’m Protestant so there are a lot of things that I don’t compare and don’t buy...but I do believe in the 1st. Amendment.
I still think this is a political move not a theological argument in this particular case. Unless and until proven that Romney doesn’t believe in the Constitution and religious freedom it remains a theological question and not a Constitutional question. Religious freedom allows many beliefs. It’s the attempted imposition on others that is not Constitutional. I say attempted because I believe in the 2nd. Amendment.
I don’t understand your post, this religion writer of the article was making what kind of political move, and why was he using Christianity to do it?
I don’t even know what your interest in the thread is yet.
“I don’t even know what your interest in the thread is yet.”
Creation of a wedge between Mormons and Christians for political reasons.
I live in a Mormon, largely, community. I take great comfort dropping my kids off at a high school that is more than 50% Mormon. Their belief system is not for me but they are by and large stellar people.
If someone has a problem voting for the Mormon Romney, they can just vote for the Catholic Ryan.
:)
I don’t understand your posts, they are too cryptic for me.
Romney isn’t running to be my pastor He is running to be my president
I'm pretty sure that an objective reading of my posts will reveal exactly what I am saying, and at least as far as I can tell, I have not misrepresented your arguments, nor have I created straw men.
But just for the sake of argument (shall we say) let's look again at your post #18:
Almost no one is saying it in those specific words, but almost the entire right, and much of Christianity is massaging it into a vague new category of acceptability, they are joining in with the cult’s effort to use the Romney gaining of the presidency as the breakthrough into mainstreaming the cult, and are striving to conceal Bishop Romney’s extraordinary level of importance, and status within the anti-Christian cult and the fact that Mormonisms goal is to defeat Christianity by absorbing it, by wearing it’s clothes and mimicking it’s language and appearance, and even by carrying the Christian bible in one hand, while preaching from the Book of Mormon held in the dominant hand.
"The entire right, and much of Christianity?" "Joining with the cult's effort?" So it's a matter of collusion—passively, and sometimes actively—being carried out by Christians and right-leaning ideologues in concert with Mormon leadership to elevate Mormonism to equal status with Christianity? Despite your accusations (see your post # 21), I am not a part of that collusion and my answers clearly demonstrate my position on Mormonism. I also wonder if you really read the Christianity Today article. To suggest that they are part of this mainstreaming conspiracy is to demonstrate an utter lack of knowledge of the history and positions of that publication.
I am not disagreeing with your position regarding Mormonism's goals. In fact, I am more familiar with them than you can imagine. But I believe we have a much more potent and immediate threat to the Republic from the ideological left.If you have two movements (three if you want to include Islam), which intend to subvert Christianity and rule the world, which one do you fight first? I'm thinking the one(s) that have literally murdered millions of people through history is the more pressing threat.
So it may be that your mission in life is to fight the Mormons on every front and you may feel that a vote for Romney indicates complicity with the Mormon's end game, but I still maintain that given the choice between a Mormon and Barack Obama, I'll take my chances with the Mormon.
I hope that is clear enough for you. If I am creating straw man arguments again, please fell free to point them out specifically. Otherwise we will simply have to agree to disagree. You can believe my vote for Mitt Romney proves that I am complicit with Mormonism's efforts to rule the world and overcome Christianity, and I will believe that you think that is a bigger problem than the ideological Left's clearly stated goals to rule the world.
LOL!
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