Posted on 10/18/2012 1:07:42 PM PDT by newheart
A survey this summer by the Pew Research Center and the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that 60 percent of voters who know of Romney's Mormonism are comfortable with his religion. Another 21 percent said it doesn't matter.
But the Pew survey also found that, along with atheists and agnostics, white evangelicals and black Protestants are the most uncomfortable with his religion. The vast majority of those who are already Republican will vote for Romney anyway, but only 21 percent of those who are uncomfortable with his Mormonism will back him strongly. Some may choose not to vote at all.
This could spell trouble for Republicans. CBS News found that half of the voters in the 14 GOP primaries from January through March were evangelicals. Their lukewarm support for John McCain in 2008—with many staying home on Election Day and around 30 percent of their 18-29 year-olds casting votes for Obama—helped give the White House to the Democrats.
The Pew survey found evangelicals evenly split on whether Mormonism is a Christian religion. Of those evangelicals who say Mormonism is not Christian, some fear it will advance Mormonism and blur the boundaries between true Christian faith and its counterfeits. They think this election will force them to choose between the nation and the gospel.
(Excerpt) Read more at christianitytoday.com ...
I realize that this thread will attract those who feel called to insinuate that voting for a Mormon is tantamount to being in league with the Devil.
If the race was between two equally competent, patriotic and experienced individuals, one of whom was a Mormon and the other an evangelical Christian, I would likely choose the evangelical. However, that is CLEARLY not the choice before us. Martin Luther said something like: I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian. Today, we might argue that we have an incompetent "Turk" in the White House being challenged by, at the very minimum, a competent businessman. If we are interested in the good of the country, IMHO, the choice is a complete no-brainer. Don't let the current polling euphoria fool you. This race will be close.
Note the italicized paragraph in the excerpt above. Do we really want to give Obama another shot at his notion of "fundamental change" for America—in other words, the destruction of the republic?
A seeker of truth likely will find that the "redistributionist" ideas require coercive force and "redistributors" who interfere with and limit individual freedom, whereas America's founding ideas are consistent with individual freedom, self-government under a written Constitution, and limits on those who serve in government.
The "Mormon" argument is a distraction from the real villains here. Nothing more, nothing less.
Historically, and consistently, about 19% of voters have said they would not vote for a mormon.
Of course, most would probably not run out of their home naked either - until they wake up during
a fire and don’t have time to both dress and live.
I am personally uncomfortable with Romney’s liberalism and his leadership role in a cult that denies my Savior. I am also very uncomfortable with our MOTUS (marxist of the united states). Some of my discomfort
with the current MOTUS has not been alleviated by Romney’s failure to address the larger issues that are
leading our country down a very bad road. He could have. He hasn’t. I expect he would be better in some
ways, but clearly not in every way - and worse in other ways that are important to me personally.
So for me, it is closer to running out of my home naked into another burning home and deciding which kind of third degree burns I want more... the answer is neither.
It will be interesting to see the actual voter statistics when the smoke clears.
>But Mormonism isn’t a Christian religion! I can’t vote for a non-Christian!<
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In this close of a presidential race, not voting for Romney is a vote for Hussein which is a vote for islam.
Take your poison.
“The “Mormon” argument is a distraction from the real villains here. Nothing more, nothing less.”
True very true, a planned distraction. I still remember the Kennedy race, with the fear of the rascally Catholic idol worshipers...now the Kennedy clan was the real threat, not their being Catholic.
You kind of hijacked your own thread there and made it clear that you want the discussion to be about voting for Obama or Romney, why didn’t you post it in News/politics if you wanted to avoid the religious aspects of the anti-Christian religion of Mormonism and Mitt’s lifelong devotion and funding of it, and even his role as a Mormon devoted to converting Christians from their faith, and re baptizing them into Joseph Smith’s new found religion and into followers of the Book of Mormon, and polytheism, and Mitt’s being the highest ranking religious leader and most powerful religious figure to ever run for president, and the only one that will become a God himself?
That is an excellent point. It speaks to the purpose of the First Ammendment and you are right, the choice is obvious.
Actually I clicked on the Politics and Religion button, but it wound up in politics. I don’t have a problem with discussing the religious aspects of the issue insofar as I don’t believe it is ultimately possible to separate the two in personal life. In the public square, separation is possible, but censorship is not the means.
I agree it is a distraction, but there are people who are seriously struggling with whether it is "Christian" to vote for a Mormon. I posted in the interest of a more informed electorate.
How can you compare a mere Christian, an ordinary pew sitting Catholic, to the equivalent of JFK’s Bishop?
Bishop Romney could actually excommunicate people, and is destined to become an actual God, Romney personally requested and received approval from his Pope before he would run for president and is believed by many Mormons to be the fulfillment of Holy prophecy.
I'll try to remove the visual from my mind. :-)
Personally, I think the choice is between one guy who wants to pour gasoline on the fire and one who wants to put most of it out. I'm not comfortable with Romney's liberalism either, but if I weigh his liberalism against the totalitarian result of Obama's utopianism, I'll take the liberal.
The article is a sales pitch, it barely mentions any differences and it uses the pro-Mormon/anti-Christian tactic of pretending that it is those rascally, bible thumping “Evangelicals” as the only denominations that declare Mormonism as an entirely different, non-Christian religion.
In reality, all Christian denominations agree on Mormonism.
HERE IS THE CATHOLIC TEACHING ON MORMONISM:
“Mormons are not Christians. The Mormons will claim to be Christian because they claim to follow Christ, and believe in the Bible. They say that Jesus is a god, but not THE God. They also believe that Lucifer is the brother of Jesus, and neither do they believe that there is fire in Hell.”
“Mormons say that Christ came to teach the truth, but that it was lost when the Apostles dispersed. No one had the truth for over 1800 years until God saw fit to enlighten Joseph Smith in 1823 (that is why they baptize all the dead people who missed out). Besides their strange historical mis-accounts, Mormons also have a warped theology.”
“By following all the rules and ordinances of God here, Mormon men and women have the potential of also becoming gods”
“Mormons believe that there are many worlds and many gods. Each god is similar to God the Father, having the same powers and omnipotence, and even being able to create their own worlds. “Heavenly Father” is only the name of the god who rules over this world.”
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/mormns.html
Trust the Catholic truth on Mormonism, or trust what the Mormons (and their fellow travelers) are telling you.
“Personally, I think the choice is between one guy who wants to pour gasoline on the fire and one who wants to put most of it out.”
Understood. I don’t believe RINOmney sees beyond his life experience to the larger Constitutional issues hanging in the balance.
I see FReepers projecting their hopes, aspirations and dreams onto Romney. I’m not.
I see both candidates seemingly comfortable with a post-Constitutional country. I’m not.
I see just the straightening of pictures while the Titanic takes on water. Obama happy it won’t be considered a great ship anymore. Romney wanting desperately to be the new Captain and make sure breakfast is served on time. Neither addressing the huge hole in the side of the ship.
Either way, we are taking on water and headed toward Davy Jones Locker.
Anyone who relies on either of these guys to save them is foolish.
Yeah, I just don't know how those unbelievers over at CHRISTIANITY TODAY can live with themselves. /sarc
Sorry to be snarky, but I find that comment ridiculous, and false on the face of it. They are not saying that Mormonism is Christian. Ultimately they are arguing that if you could vote for Adams, Washington or Jefferson, you might consider voting for Romney. Do they put him in the same class as those guys? No, of course not. But really, next to Obama? If you live in a battleground state and you don't vote you might as well be resigned to 4 more years of strengthening the socialist/communist outreach in America.
My point was valid and well known to Christians.
A pro-Mormon, anti-Christian tactic that is well used, is to constantly give the impression that Christian opposition to Mormonism is something only done by radical “Evangelicals”.
Tell that to the Vatican and Pope John II who ruled on Mormonism as being non-Christian, and tell it to the Greek Orthodox who label Mormonism as a non-christian cult.
Tell it to the mainline Christian denominations that all agree that Mormonism is non-christian, and an entirely different, polytheistic religion created by Joesph Smith.
For the record, I have never said that Mormonism is Christian.
Almost no one is saying it in those specific words, but almost the entire right, and much of Christianity is massaging it into a vague new category of acceptability, they are joining in with the cult’s effort to use the Romney gaining of the presidency as the breakthrough into mainstreaming the cult, and are striving to conceal Bishop Romney’s extraordinary level of importance, and status within the anti-Christian cult and the fact that Mormonisms goal is to defeat Christianity by absorbing it, by wearing it’s clothes and mimicking it’s language and appearance, and even by carrying the Christian bible in one hand, while preaching from the Book of Mormon held in the dominant hand.
Mainstreaming means overcoming Christian resistance to the cult, a 170 year goal of the Romney family.
I agree with your posts 100%, ansell. Well said.
I’ll tell you what I really don’t like about all this. For those of us who have researched Mormonism and know what it is, we are being increasingly put into the incredibly awkward position of having to keep our mouths shut about something we know in our heart of hearts is a great enemy of Biblical Christianity.
I know, the alternative is even worse. How can I in good conscience vote for Joseph Smith? The biggest religious fraud in American history. I know, it is only one of his Temple Bishops that is running, but in reality that is what it amounts to. Like the lead article states, it is like voting for the devil.
So can we assume that you will be voting for Obama (either actively or passively) enabling his continued shredding of the Constitution, rather than take the risk of voting for a Mormon?
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