Posted on 10/17/2012 4:33:29 AM PDT by Colofornian
The daughter of a Latter Day Saints bishop and author of a book on Mitt Romneys Mormonism says that she has concerns about a Romney presidency.
Tricia Erickson, who is now a professing Christian after being involved in the LDS establishment for 21 years, stated in an article this week entitled The Obamney Twins that while she cannot support Barack Obama, she is unable to vote for Mitt Romney either.
To me, as a conservative, a Republican and a Christian, I cannot justify a vote for either one of the Obamney baby-killing, annihilators of the family, government healthcare mandated to take over our economy socialist evil twins and be right with our Creator, she wrote.
Erickson pointed out that neither seek to ban abortion, and both have shown support for homosexuality.
Republicans say that they have to vote for Romney because we are losing our country to socialism and after another four years of Obama, there will be nothing left of America. I cant say that I disagree, she said. However, what is never talked about is that Romney has his own goals for the Mormon Church [and] The Mormon Plan for America, and while he is cunning and a good debater, he lacks the judgment to discern that he will not become a god in his next life and receive his own planet.
Erickson has been making the rounds on various talk shows and has been featured in news publications for at least the past year, discussing her concerns with Mormonism and a potential Romney presidency.
While he attempts to portray Mormonism as just another Christian religion, Mitt Romney counts on his skills to shift our attention away from what he truly believes, she wrote in her book Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America.
Its like our eyes are glazed over when it comes to the religion of Mitt Romney, Erickson told talk show host Thomas Hartmann in further discussing the matter. If you just knew what Mitt Romney believed, you would run far away from this candidate.
Erickson states that she grew up in a devout Mormon household, and was even married in the LDS temple according to mandated rituals. However, she laments many things that she observed and was subjected to.
It was horrific, she told WND. There I was standing naked [at my wedding]. They brought this bowl of water and started washing my body down, and whispering prayers over my body. They stopped over the right and left breast, the navel and knees and prayed specific prayers.
Erickson stated that because Mitt Romney is a dedicated Mormon, he espouses beliefs that are very concerning, including that Jesus was not born of a virgin, that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers, and that Romney will one day become one of many deities.
Mitt Romney truly, unequivocally believes that when he dies, he is going to become a god in Heaven, she said. He is going be given his own kingdom/planet. He will be able to call his wife Ann by the secret name that is only given to him in the Mormon secret ceremonies When he calls her on to his planet, they will have relations to populate the planet with spirit children, as they believe our God has a wife on His planet, and He did the same, and they believe that we are our Gods spirit children from our god mother and god father.
So, all of us here on earth, we existed in a pre-existence with God as a spirit baby, then we came down and inhabited these little babies bodies that are here on the earth, Erickson continued, explaining LDS beliefs. [This was done] so that we could go through our process to venture into godhood.
She said that there has been a longstanding agenda in the LDS establishment to place Mormons into governmental offices.
[The LDS establishment has] been trying since the beginning to get someone in the presidency, because they believe they have to establish their authority so when Jesus comes to earth, the Mormon Church will take control of the government and the Mormons will be the government of God on earth, Erickson explained.
They believe that when Jesus comes back to earth in the millennium, that Hes going to come to Jackson County, Missouri, which thats where they believe the Garden of Eden is, she added.
Former Mormons Dennis and Rauni Higley of H.I.S. Ministries International in Salt Lake City, Utah concur that these indeed are the beliefs of the LDS establishment. They provided Christian News Network with written outlines of their concerns surrounding what is called the White Horse Prophesy.
From its very beginning, the Mormon plan for America has been to have a Mormon president lead this nation and ultimately the world, they stated. The so-called White Horse Prophecy of Joseph Smith has been referred to often as a destiny of the Mormon priesthood in saving the United States. This prophecy predicts that U.S. government will one day hang as if by a single thread and Mormon elders will step in and save it.
Erickson said that in Mormon ceremonies, participants must swear to keep secret what goes on behind closed doors. She advised that in rituals that she was involved with, she observed people being forced to make gestures signifying their death if they revealed what takes place.
They actually had us [symbolically] slashing our guts open and our guts falling to the ground if we told people of the secret dogma of the ceremonies, she stated.
When asked how Erickson knows that Romney espouses these same beliefs, she replied that Romney has long had high ranking in the LDS establishment, holding office as bishop like her father, and working as a Mormon missionary in France for a time.
You cannot get more Mormon than Mitt Romney, she stated. And I have been through the same temple ceremonies to follow the church first before anything else.
To my way of thinking the idiosyncrasies of Mormon belief and practice are not the issue; Catholic belief in transubstantiation and Protestant belief in the resurrection [of Jesus] can be made to look silly, too, Romney told CNN last year after being informed of Ericksons writings and speeches against him.
Because of these concerns, in Ericksons article this week, she noted that many will vote third party this year or skip the presidential race on the ballot.
Some have said that they will simply not vote for either establishment candidate, [but] instead, in protest, will write-in another name or candidate if they will vote at all, she wrote. I, and approximately 90 million Americans, agree with Charles Spurgeon who says, Of two evils, choose neither.
Please separate theology and politics. Mormonism is a bunch of hooey that I could never believe. Romney’s Mormonism has no material adverse impact his ability to be President. The LDS Church no longer pushes polygamy, and that would be my only concern about Mormonism historically from a public office point of view.
AMEN
you'd best HOPE that he can get the job done.
You're hoping Obama stays in power?
I really don't think that's a very moral principled position.
Why?
The Bible doesn't...its most famous chapter on government -- Romans 13 -- references civic leaders as "ministers."
God doesn't.
And even the Mormon church doesn't, as evidenced by its leaders' quotes below:
Lds Leader | Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title) | Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words) | |
John Taylor | Lds 'Prophet' #3 | The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto [so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862) | |
John Taylor | Lds 'Prophet' #3 | The LDS Church -- in 2001 -- thought it well to pull this quote from John Taylor to emphasize it: "The Lord...is desirous to show us how to save ourselves, how to bless ourselves temporally and spiritually, intellectually, morally, physically, POLITICALLY..." (Lds Church owned Deseret News, Nov. 19, 1865, p. 2, as quoted in Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor (2001, p. 178). Also from p. 178: "The idea of strictly religious feelings with us, and nothing else, is out of the question...Our religion is more comprehensive than that of the world...it embraces all the interests of humanity in every conceivable phrase..." (Original source: The Gospel Kingdom, 1943, p. 168) | |
Orson Hyde | President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875) | What the world calls Mormonism will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53) | |
Heber J. Grant | Lds 'Prophet' #7 | "Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984) | |
Harold B. Lee | Lds 'Prophet' #11 | ...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989) | |
Spencer Kimball | Lds 'Prophet' #12 | "President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983) | |
What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father? | Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets') | "Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984) | |
Ezra Taft Benson | Lds 'Prophet' #13 | Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet | |
Benson (cont'd) | Fundamental #5 | 5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney?) | |
Benson (cont'd) | Fundamental #9 | 9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt?) | |
Benson (cont'd) | Fundamental #10 | 10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt?) | |
B.H. Roberts | LDS Historian and Seventy. Note: Roberts was an elected Democratic Congressman from Utah in 1898 -- but was NEVER seated by Congress because of grass roots uproar vs. Roberts, who took a THIRD simultaneous wife in the early 1890s. Grass roots America collected 7 MILLION signatures on 28 banners and presented them to Congress...in pre-mass media 1800s! | [T]he kingdom of God... is to be a POLITICAL INSTITUTION THAT SHALL HOLD SWAY OVER ALL THE EARTH; TO WHICH ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUBORDINATE AND BY WHICH THEY WILL BE DOMINATED. The Rise and Fall of Nauvoo, 1900, p. 180 | |
Mitt Romney as POTUS??? | Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do? | The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."] |
Please acknowledge between theology and politics as to which one is more important.
And you KNOW this; how?
Are you REALLY this reading comprehensive challenged?
>> Now I know what the choice between voting for Romney or not; is.
Thank you for making the effort to learn.
However, the choice between Romney and Obama is NOT a false choice. It’s a very REAL choice, with very real differences in outcome.
No, the false dichotomy is in YOUR implication that there are only two ways:
1) vote for Romney and see a slight diversion in the “true” path eventually compound into a complete reversal into marxism, or
2) don’t vote for Romney, thereby electing Obama, and immediately receive anti-Christian marxism.
There is a THIRD possibility that you, in your stubbornness, refuse to acknowledge: vote for the better of the imperfect candidates and trust that we’ll thereby buy time and/or influence the more malleable Romney to toe the straight and true line.
That third possibility is what I trust that with GOD’s help we will achieve.
I am not willing to give myself up to supporting the candidate of Satan — i.e. Obama.
And make no mistake — failing to support Romney one month from the election IS IN FACT supporting the candidate of Satan — Barack Obama.
I trust in the LORD that you are not predisposed to giving your talents and time to supporting Satan.
I will continue to pray for your wisdom and discernment.
I stand with you in agreement, amen and amen.
Nope. I read quite a few of your posts on this thread. You seem very adamant in your opposition to Romney for president. Very.
If I'm wrong on this, perhaps you can correct me: Are you hoping Obama beats Romney or are you hoping Romney wins?
Thanks! With you all claiming to know what God wants all of the time, somebody has to provide some balance for the other side.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Seriously?
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