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Pope’s ambition, a blend of the Novus Ordo and the Old Rite, could sweep Church [Catholic Caucus]
CatholicHerald.co.uk ^ | Friday, 20 May 2011 | William Oddie

Posted on 10/04/2012 4:23:16 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Houghton M.
Except we’re not handling it. Catholics are 100 times less biblically literate than they were under the old rite.

Those not paying attention now, won't pay attention, even in a two year cycle. I like the way it is now, simply because we DO get more Scripture readings, and if the priest is doing his job, an understand of the reading with the homily.

41 posted on 10/06/2012 3:20:33 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: JCBreckenridge

I never said it was not helpful. It is insufficient, even to the deaf.


42 posted on 10/06/2012 7:08:17 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

No, it’s not insufficient. It was enough for me, and I was a convert so I didn’t have the years of experience with it growing up.

If I wanted to worship in front of a screen - I’d go back to my protestant church. No screens.


43 posted on 10/07/2012 12:18:41 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

That is was enough for you does not mean it is sufficient for everyone. Here, someone took the trouble to write an article wishing someone made the Old Mass a bit more accessible. I am sure he, too, has seen a missal.

Protestantism is not defined by screens any more than it is defined by books, chairs, or electricity.


44 posted on 10/07/2012 2:14:09 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

There are better ways to help people learn than to ensure that they never do.

If I, a deaf person can learn to understand the Latin mass, despite having to learn the English rites and then the Latin - then surely they can learn too.

Some people are motivated to learn about their faith - others, not so much.


45 posted on 10/07/2012 4:58:15 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I don’t want to make repetitive posts.

Yes, some learn and others don’t. This is a Catholic Church: the difficulty of following a text in a foreign language from a book when the priest is barely audible and while one is actually trying to get one’s mind on the Sacrifice Mass itself — should not be made into some kind of a rite of admission.


46 posted on 10/07/2012 7:43:18 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

**Novus Ordo itself should be evolving toward the Old Mass**

I do think this is going to happen, and, in fact, has already started to happen with the new translations which are more accurate to the original Latin Vulgate.

Next come the readings. I was going to buy one of the NABRE (Revised Edition) until I found out that all had been revised was the Old Testament. When they revise the New Testament perhaps the USCCB will adopt a new lectionary format. I think it will happen, but maybe I’m being too optomistic.


47 posted on 10/07/2012 8:10:11 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: annalex

Thanks for using the term “Sacrifice Mass.”


48 posted on 10/07/2012 8:13:00 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: annalex

Latin shouldn’t be a ‘foreign language’ for Catholics. If they don’t know, then we should be providing classes that they can attend to improve their knowledge of Latin.


49 posted on 10/08/2012 4:46:39 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Salvation

No, I don’t think you are too optimistic. There is a healthy movement in the Church, and the fact that the true translations have been adopted in English shows that it has reached the episcopate. Unlike in democracies where the governing body changes every four years, the trends in the Church have every chance to flourish over time.


50 posted on 10/08/2012 5:21:53 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: thecodont

I actually meant to write “Sacrifice of the Mass”.


51 posted on 10/08/2012 5:24:50 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Absolutely, classes should be available as well.

The Church has to begin overcoming the illness that overtook it in the past 40 years. No single measure will by itself be enough.


52 posted on 10/08/2012 5:25:06 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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