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1700 B.C.: 'Alla' god of 'violence and revolution'
WorldNetDaily ^ | Sept 17, 2012 | staff writer

Posted on 09/17/2012 4:31:09 AM PDT by wesagain

A research article posted on the website of terrorist-turned-Christian Walid Shoebat contends the oldest known references to the Islamic deity Allah are not in Arabian records but in Babylonian artifacts.

Ancient tablets describe “Alla” as a deity of “violence and revolution.” “This link sheds new light since for many years we have been hearing various ideas on where Allah came from. Christian and Muslim scholars – as well as secular professors – presented numerous arguments on just who Allah really is,” wrote Ted Shoebat, the son of Walid Shoebat.

In his heavily footnoted project, he writes that historians have suggested Islam’s beginnings are found in the Persian religion Zoroastrianism, while others, including Christian writers, argue Allah was a moon-god in Babylon.

The younger Shoebat, who already has published several books, said previously the oldest known reference to “Allah” was in northern and southern Arabia about the fifth century B.C., according to Kenneth J. Thomas.

The new find, however, links the name to....

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TOPICS: Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: allah; babylon; islam; zoroastrianism
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To: wesagain
Where does allah come from?

Here's my guess...


41 posted on 09/17/2012 7:48:53 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Bryanw92
And I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should no more seduce the nations, till the thousand years be finished. And after that, he must be loosed a little time.

Revelation 20: 1-4

42 posted on 09/17/2012 7:50:18 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Lazamataz
And people still wonder where Santa Claus came from ~ and I don't mean the dude from Armenia or Greece ~ the original model with the red suit and fur trim, with a big bag ~ he even has a prototypical Sa'ami hat! He drives a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer (and you eat enough amanita muscaria like they do and you'll think you are flying).

Did you know those animals can do bursts of 75MPH and can run flat out for long distances at 65MPH.

Flying!

BTW, Laz, my interest in the Sa'ami started with a need to research a peculiar heart malady found in many of my relatives ~ I found it in a single tribe of Sa'ami ~ not all of them, just one (also associated with a type of porphyria) ~ the last white folks on Earth to be known up to modern times for making a living exclusively on reindeer.

The relatives get a relatively benign bit of surgery and it fixes the problem. There are several other marker genes but we don't need to go into them.

So, the way you get genes is from your ancestors, hence my hobby ~ and it's also proven invaluable in figuring out what is making the relatives sick and what the kids have to watch out for.

The Swedish medical establishment loves to study these guys ~ they are definitely adapted to the Arctic and have a pre-modern genome!

I think Renee Zelweiger, Kirsten Dunst and Pam Anderson are part of the same Skolt Sa'ami nation, but might be from the closely related Inari. The dude the future queen of Sweden married (her personal trainer) is also part of that crowd, as is Elin Nordgren (the now very rich former Mrs. Tiger Woods.

Just like to note that with the Skolt and Inari you really could do worse than marrying your cousins ~ much worse really ~

43 posted on 09/17/2012 7:53:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
My hobby is not getting beheaded by Muslims.

So far, so good.

44 posted on 09/17/2012 7:59:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (RAGE MONKEY RULEZ!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

There are NO Moslems in the Arctic. That’s because every 18 years they’d starve to death during Ramadan in the Summer!


45 posted on 09/17/2012 8:02:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tzfat
In Israel it is called the “red/green alliance” - marxists and islamists.

marxists and islamists united to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand.

46 posted on 09/17/2012 8:08:28 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Cronos
Sunday is the sun's day.
Monday is the moon's day.
Tuesday is some Norse god's day.
Wednesday is Wodin's day.
Thursday is Thor's day, Thor for godsakes!
Friday is Frigg's day for frig's sake.
Saturday is Saturn's day. Saturn!

Oh my God! I'm afraid to open my appointment book!

47 posted on 09/17/2012 8:11:51 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Oratam
Go forth and pillage a village !
Celebrate your Norse and Anglo-Saxon cultural roots!
48 posted on 09/17/2012 8:13:57 AM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: Reily

Arrrrhhhh!!!!


49 posted on 09/17/2012 8:20:23 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: wesagain; All

This has turned into a very interesting thread. I’m glad I didn’t miss it.


50 posted on 09/17/2012 9:01:33 AM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: wesagain
>"“Allah of the Babylonian Epic of Atrahasis was most likely kept hidden by researchers who feared controversy or even concealed the find,"

Mystery Babylon!!!! Mystery no more!

51 posted on 09/17/2012 9:20:35 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: muawiyah
"every 18 years they’d starve to death during Ramadan in the Summer!"

LOL!!!!

52 posted on 09/17/2012 9:32:26 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: muawiyah
I've read the koran, several times. It's not a big book. And I stand by the idea that it's ripped off from what is now the Christian Bible.

I subscribe to the idea that mohammad was a great conqueror. That much is clear. I also think it's reasonable that he saw what happened to empires once their leaders (in this case him) died. They were broken up and conquered by someone else.

His rather absurd religion does a good job of keeping the empire together (convert, pay a “tax”, or die).

I don't know if you're arguing that islam is somehow a legitimate religion in the same way that Christianity or Judaism is legitimate, but I don't buy that idea. It's clear - by their actions - that muslims are lacking in a variety of areas. Their actions speak so loudly that I can't hear a word they're saying. Kind of like obama. Actually, A LOT like obama.

53 posted on 09/17/2012 6:22:39 PM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: youngidiot
Islam as it is known today was invented in Damascus Syria by a committee.

Mohammad died long before the period of Conquest ~ and, amazingly, the only sources telling anybody he existed were created by the same committee that invented Islam.

54 posted on 09/17/2012 6:46:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I don't know where you get that. Most of the Arabian peninsula had converted to his islam by the time of his death.
55 posted on 09/17/2012 7:06:18 PM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: youngidiot
You have only their word for it ~ and he was long dead before they came roaring out into the middle of a massive worldwide depression of the very worst kind ~ and discovered the Byzantine Army and Navy hadn't even been paid for the last 100 years!

Most serious analysts take note of the fact the Arabs had gold to pay (Petra had a whale of a lot of gold) and they literally bought existing armies to do their bidding in their sweep across North Africa.

56 posted on 09/17/2012 7:17:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Oratam; Publius Maximus
Oratam -- "Tuesday is some Norse god's day." -- ha, ha! good one!

Incidently it seems to be mainly in English and German that these links to the ancient gods in all the names of the days exist.

In polish it translates as sunday=niedziela (no working), monday = poniedziałek (after sunday), tuesday = on track, wed = middle, thu = fourth day, fri = fifth day, sat = sobota (sabbath)

and in French and Italian some of the days have this, others don't.

57 posted on 09/18/2012 12:20:55 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Lazamataz
laser-eyed Rottweilers that bark, and when they bark, M&M's fly out

:-P

58 posted on 09/18/2012 12:22:06 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: muawiyah; Lazamataz
who have names so similar to those of the Dravidian people it's uncanny.

you mean names like Venkatanarasimharajuvaripeta or Srinivasa Chakraborthy Tiruvaneleshwaramparameshwara Aiyar?

59 posted on 09/18/2012 12:25:12 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: muawiyah

I’m pretty sure Krishna is not a snake god. He’s depicted as a dark-skinned human, not a snake. That would be Naga or Nagini (female). Perhaps also Shiva, a Dravidian god in the form of an ascetic protected by a hooded cobra


60 posted on 09/18/2012 12:26:43 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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