Are Catholics into the Bible?

CatholicBridge.com ^ | not given | David MacDonald

[Cronos]

a priest standing next to the Pope -- wow, you expect the Pope to recognize every two-bit mayor?

Why not read the points above where your posts are extremely silly to not realize that the book of revelation refers only to itself not to the collection of books that is the bible

[Cronos]

or, let's go back to bramps beautifully silly post 38 which says actually read the bible themselves rather than depend on flawed Catholic translations

to which I ask --> interesting - so do you read the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Koine Greek texts?

Or do you read in Shakespearean 17th century English or current Modern English?

You do know that the books of the Bible were not written in standard American in the 1st century, right?

[Cronos]

or bramps' posts 34 which quotes Apocalypse saying if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy and then mistakenly thinks this is for the entire collection of books that is the Bible -- do you then read the book of Maccabees? Or is this taken away from the scroll?

[Cronos]

btw, bramps - I can't read Aramaic or koine Greek either and my hebrew is pretty much at beginner's level

And the bit about Shakespearean English is true -- the language is changing even today -- witness James 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

[bramps]

I simply would've expected the Pope to follow the bible and kindly show Giuliani the door prior to receiving the Eucharist. Could I seriously ask you to explain why you think he did not do this? Or why Biden, Pelosi, Kerry, etc. are still in good standing with the Catholic church?

[wideawake]

You seem to be confused between daily Mass and Sunday Mass readings.

Also, according to norms laid out for all priests in the Roman Missal, all homilies are required to be expository lessons on the Scriptures.

[Cronos]

Or why Biden, Pelosi, Kerry, etc. are still in good standing with the Catholic church?

They are not in good standing. Why is Obama in good standing among equally absurd statement non-Catholics?

[Cronos]

I simply would've expected the Pope to follow the bible and kindly show Giuliani the door prior to receiving the Eucharist. Could I seriously ask you to explain why you think he did not do this?

Firstly, does it say in the Bible that Giuliani should be shown the door prior to receiving the Eucharist?

Secondly, what's the use of him receiving the Eucharist after he's been shown the door?

Thirdly and to the point -- what makes you think the Pope even recognizes some mayor of some city far away? -- in a crowd at mass do you think the Pope knows who Guiliani is? Just another face in the crowd.

[Cronos]

and you never answered my questions -- in your beautifully silly post 38 which says actually read the bible themselves rather than depend on flawed Catholic translations

to which I ask --> interesting - so do you read the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Koine Greek texts?

Or do you read in Shakespearean 17th century English or current Modern English?

You do know that the books of the Bible were not written in standard American in the 1st century, right?

[Cronos]

and you never answered my questions -- in your beautifully silly post 34 which quotes Apocalypse saying if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy and then mistakenly thinks this is for the entire collection of books that is the Bible -- do you then read the book of Maccabees? Or is this taken away from the scroll?

[Cronos]

and you never answered my questions -- in your beautifully silly post 34 it forgets that Revelation was among the last books to be added to canon? And did you know that most of the Early Christian communities rejected it? Even to today the book of Revelation is not read in the Orthodox Divine Liturgy. The Addition of the Book of Revelation/Apocalypse shows how the Church under the grace of the Holy Spirit pulled together the Canon that is the Bible today. Church in scripture rejected the Shepherd of Hermas even though it was accepted as scripture by many Early Christians and put in Apocalypse even after objections by many

Syrian Christians in the 2nd century rejected it, Martin Luther initially considered it to be "neither apostolic nor prophetic" and stated that "Christ is neither taught nor known in it," and is not known of in the ancient church of the Georgians.

[wideawake]

Cronos, bramps does not want to confront the fact that the Bible he reads is a manmade translation of a manmade edition of God-breathed texts that are compiled by a manmade list.

He has never considered the means by which the Bible he reads has reached his hands.

[bramps]

Hey Mr. Condescension,
did you ever consider that the men who created the Catholic religion got something very wrong which has resulted in celibate priests raping little boys and bishops allowing it to go on and then being moved to the safe confines of the Vatican where they wine and dine with the Pope? Or again, abortion and homosexual agenda loving politicians being allowed to receive the Eucharist at Catholic mass? Did you at least ever consider it??? How many people at your very church will vote for Obama? If similar to other Catholic churches, the number is very significant which says much about the church itself. I'm fairly certain that the number of Obama voters at my church will be 0. We follow Christs word. Period. Amen. Sincere faith in Christ and the works follow.
Have a good day. I was wrong to have originally posted anything controversial in this thread and I'm sorry. You certainly aren't changing my views and I'd guess I've only made you angry. And I should’ve known better.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

See - you guys judged the Brampster too quickly! Look how clearly and concisely he addressed the man-made Biblical translation question - he’s brilliant!!

[wideawake]

I'm not angry, bramps, despite the fact that your most recent post was crammed with flamebait.

I'm simply pointing out to you that your posts are filled with shaky assumptions - especially your assumptions about the Bible, the main topic of the thread.

You should consider those assumptions and worry less about the mote that you see in the Pope's eye.

That would make the conversation much more profitable for both of us.

[Iscool]

There are so many things in this book you posted that prove your religion has no business trying to understand what God says...

Sometimes the Holy Spirit reveals stuff to us as we study which is great. But almost all of the conflicting views among Evangelicals are forwarded by sincere honest Christians who claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit. Surely God did not want people to have conflicting interpretations of Scripture, because that would be in conflict with the Bible itself which calls us to unity.

More ignorance from your religious influencers...

1Co 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

There will be heresies amongst the Body of Christ so that the truths will prevail...

Many "Bible believing" denominations who say "Jesus is Lord" have now ruled that Gay Marriage and abortion are OK. This includes Lutherans, some Methodist churches, the United Church, Anglicans, Episcopalians etc.

That's another lie put out by this author...The denominations mentioned are NOT Bible BELIEVING churches...Not a single one of them hesitates to change scripture, leave scripture out or add to scripture, just as your religion does...

That is their interpretation of Scripture. I have a problem with that. I think Jesus understood the human mind's capacity to rationalize its own wishes even with the Bible in hand, and while saying "Jesus is Lord." I believe we need a higher authority than millions of diverse and conflicting Christians with Bibles in their hands. Catholics think that the final word on the interpretation of Scripture falls on the authority to which Jesus appointed. (Mathew 16:18-19).

And as usual, Catholics are wrong...There is no interpretive authority given to any institution in the New Testament...Anywhere...As noted to above, your religion is adding to the scriptures...

This entire false premise posted here is an attack on this verse as well as the authority of God's written words, and God himself...

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Sorry, God says, don't trust the Catholic religion's interpretation, or any human's interpretation...

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

First, we are to know the scriptures...Then we are to believe the scriptures...And then, God will provide the understanding to those as he sees fit...

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

[Iscool]

What happened to the book of Bartholomew? He was actually there? And the book of Hermes? Instead they put James in there. All wrong. Even Eusephius admitted errors in the compilation 362 years after the resurrection.

Every thing Jesus said is hearsay...Jesus didn't write a word of it...

With your theory, Jesus nor God is real...Perhaps you are in the wrong forum...

[Iscool]

Leaving aside the fact that the average nondenominational/Evangelical hears less of the Bible at service than a Catholic hears at Sunday Mass, a Catholic who attends Mass daily will hear the entire Bible read to him over the three year cycle.

Since that is no where close to my experience, I don't believe you...

[wideawake]

You don’t have to believe me. It’s there in the daily Missal, in black and white.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

—— Leaving aside the fact that the average nondenominational/Evangelical hears less of the Bible at service than a Catholic hears at Sunday Mass, a Catholic who attends Mass daily will hear the entire Bible read to him over the three year cycle.-—

-—Since that is no where close to my experience, I don’t believe you...——

Did you catch the “daily” part? It’s true.

I think parts of Numbers are left out. But it’s essentially true.