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To: count-your-change

This whole thing turns my stomach - but the one thing I agree with him on is that celibacy teachings may be largely responsible for the rampant homosexuality and child abuse. I suspect if priests were allowed (not encouraged, but allowed) to marry, much of this might be avoided. After all, Scripture says that it’s better to marry than to burn.


9 posted on 09/10/2012 9:09:36 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
Whether he's correct in that view I won't guess but a priesthood that claims celibacy seems to be an attraction to homosexuals as estimates of homosexuals in the seminaries run from 30 to 50%.
12 posted on 09/10/2012 9:15:39 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

Most sexual abusers are not celibate. Most sexual abusers are married. Why would celibacy make a heterosexual go after a member of the same sex and much less a child? Do you skip over the Scripture in which Jesus talks about eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven? Do you skip over the Scriptures in which Paul talks about the beauty of virginity and tells one not to take a husband or wife if one doesn’t have one because the time is short, though he does permit marriage?


13 posted on 09/10/2012 9:17:34 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
Factually wrong assumptions to make.

Start with the fact that less than 5% of the Catholic Priesthood was ever involved in the sex abuse scandals.

Then, understand that almost all of the victims were MALES.

Then, understand that almost all of the victims were past the age of puberty.

It was all very wrong, and criminal. However, it was NOT the clinical definition of “pedophilia” since almost all of the victims were post-pubescent males.

Instead, this is mostly a problem of homosexual predators entering the Priesthood.

Not all homosexuals are predators, in fact, few are. Less than 5% of Priests are predators. Almost all of the offenders in these cases were homosexual predators. How does allowing Priests to get married solve that problem?

Of course, it doesn't.

14 posted on 09/10/2012 9:17:50 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Fast Moving Angel

If you follow this sick ugliness which you cannot avoid with some Freepers posting (Which is there right)about it. The idea of Married men not doing abuse is very wrong. Natural Fathers are higher than priests in abuse percentages. So are Teachers and Coaches. The whole thing is just ugly. I learned most of this by checking the sources of these type of posts. It is disgusting subject but needs to be discussed at times. May God Help these little Ones.


19 posted on 09/10/2012 9:29:00 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

The problem, I think, is that many men with a homosexual tendency AND a strong religious feeling sought out the priesthood, either because they wished to escape their homosexuality, or because they felt no call to marriage and thought that they should serve the Church instead.

When they were exposed to a temptation in seminary or later, some succumbed and then justified it to themselves.

IMO it isn’t celibacy as such that is the problem but a poor discernment process, the bishops being unwilling to take action that reduce the number of men entering the priesthood, and a degree of outright corruption.

A priest once told a friend of mine, speaking of the days when boys entered seminary in their teens, “At that age you are programmed to fall in love.”


26 posted on 09/10/2012 9:58:30 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: Fast Moving Angel
but the one thing I agree with him on is that celibacy teachings may be largely responsible for the rampant homosexuality and child abuse. I suspect if priests were allowed (not encouraged, but allowed) to marry, much of this might be avoided.

That makes zero sense.

If a Priest needed to have sex, then he could pursue women like any other cheating man, change clothes and hit the clubs across town, or buy a hooker, or if you were really low, submit to one of the many females that come on to the collar.

30 posted on 09/10/2012 10:18:46 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
Having married presbyters/priests WAS allowed in the early Christian churches. Peter was certainly married as were probably the rest of the Apostles. Even today, the vast majority (90%) of Orthodox priests ARE married. Clerical celibacy was not even considered a general tradition or practice much less an ordinance before the start of the fourth century. Some of the history is explained HERE. Who knows, maybe in our lifetime we might see the Roman Catholic Church change its practice on this, but one thing is for sure, clerical celibacy was NOT an Apostolic tradition.
42 posted on 09/10/2012 11:16:08 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
This whole thing turns my stomach - but the one thing I agree with him on is that celibacy teachings may be largely responsible for the rampant homosexuality and child abuse. I suspect if priests were allowed (not encouraged, but allowed)

I doubt that the celibacy rule is "responsible" for causing child sex abuse. That doesn't make sense. If priests were going to violate celibacy, they could do it with an adult woman too.

What may happen though is that the rule causes a self-selection process among men who became priests. Men who are not attracted to women or interested in marriage may think the priesthood is where they fit in. But those men are more likely to have these perverse desires that they may or may not be trying to suppress. So if there was no celibacy rule, you might get more priests overall due to more married heterosexual priests, but not necessarily less pedophiles. The percentage of pedophiles would be down but only due to the same number of them being part of a larger pool.

94 posted on 09/11/2012 3:06:47 PM PDT by JediJones (Grow your own dope...plant a Democrat.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
but the one thing I agree with him on is that celibacy teachings may be largely responsible for the rampant homosexuality and child abuse.

Considering the fact that less than 2% of priests have even been accused of child abuse, and that's about par with other men in this country, I don't see how celibacy could be the issue here. And if a priest is in a homosexual relationship, he's not trying to be celibate, anyway.

96 posted on 09/11/2012 4:05:05 PM PDT by SuziQ
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