Posted on 08/27/2012 6:30:52 PM PDT by stpio
Read paragraph #234 of the Catechism and a powerful recent message from Our Lord's mother about the Holy Trinity, given on Trinity Sunday. Look how far we have gone away, we do not have a choice for a Christian leader and so few care.
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Message of Our Lady - Mary, Full of Grace The Advent of the New World - Words of Our Lady THE TIME OF PREPARATION FOR THE PURIFICATION OF HUMANITY
June 3, 2012 - Feast of the Holy Trinity
Dear children, today, the day of the Lord, with much love and affection I come to bless you in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. United to the Holy Trinity, together we will get the real Peace for the world. My children, the Holy Word of God reveals to you today in this great day when the Holy Church dedicate it to the Holy Trinity that is God. All human beings must submit to the Holy Trinity. They are three distinct persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit with the Divine nature, only the Son has two natures, Divine and human. But they have the same Power, absolute Power over all things. They have always existed as They are Eternal. Therefore all men have the duty to love, adore, praise to the Blessed Trinity. So you must understand that this is a mystery of God. Jesus Christ made it clear to His disciples that they take to all people His teaching on obligatory acceptance for anyone who converts, to worship, love and praise the Holy Trinity. He gave this explanation when He told them that was given all authority in Heaven and on earth, and ordered them to make disciples of Him all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. He told them to teach them to fulfill the Will of God, as He does so. Jesus Christ also told them that He would be with them until the end of the world. My children, the vast wealth that God distributes over all is this: the opportunity to convert, through faith, the belief that God exists, He is invisible to the eye, but you can feel His presence, are able of Loving, to worship Him and be sure that He is taking care at all times of each of you. With faith you are able to correct your mistakes, walking in righteousness, because He is who gives you the ability to accept what is Real. All this is understood by all those who receive the Baptism, because the Baptism is a Grace that God bestows upon you. From the time you were baptized, were born to life in God. You received the grace of the union with the Father, the Son and the Divine Holy Spirit. Who lives in Him will have help from Him, can achieve great things with the help of Him, above all have the Grace to be able to see his mistakes and correct them, learn to apologize and trust that He forgives, has humility, trying to repair the error with the acceptance and love.
When man falls into error, often feel satisfaction, but there are those who recognize, feel ashamed of the error. It is like if someone is in front of a mirror looking at his beautiful face created by God to be always beautiful, passing through a change that causes horror, a formation caused by the sin. And sin is the destruction, destroys even the appearance of a man. This is known because it can be understood, because you know that the possessed are hideously deformed, which is the devil that enters in the person and makes him a tool to terrorize people, sin takes away the beauty of the sinner. God does not want this to any of His children, He teaches you how to avoid falling into this trap and you must learn as much as possible. To protect you, He gave you the Baptism, that ye might be part of Him. With the Baptism you receive the Light of the Holy Spirit, He gives you the Gifts and valuing them you walk in the safe road. My children, let us thank today to the Holy Trinity for giving you the Sacraments, to give you the opportunity to know the value of your lives, to strengthen you to achieve the Salvation.
Nobody lives without God, is constantly present in our lives because He gave us life. Even those who do not believe in Him have the constant care of Him until the hour of death when they have to decide whether they want the life He offers or not. If they want it, will have to convert and if not, will have no Union with Him, will go to hell. God does not abandon anyone, man is he who turns away from Him forever, because do not to Love Him. God offers the Heavenly Paradise to all, but not everyone wants the Salvation. All generations receive this offer, but are free to accept it or not. My children, meditate in the advice that I give you, love the Holy Trinity and you will have all you need. You will be happy for all the eternity. Get ready for the big day when God will give you a new life, you will live in His Kingdom.
The new life does not mean to born again, but to go through the purification and reach Holiness. You will have the opportunity to undergo a change that only God can do in you, is like iron passing through the fire, so the Sacred Fire of the Divine Holy Spirit will give you this change. You will be pure, all that causes evil on you will be burned and only will remain what God wants in you. Prepare yourselves, it is coming the time to improve your situation in front of God. You will no longer be slaves of the sin, ye will be free, fully of God, that ye are sanctified by Him.
This is what I come to reveal to you today for your conversion. Pray, pray, pray for the Holy Father Benedict XVI, for all the Clergy, for the religious men and women, for all mankind. Pray for the atheists and pagans, never cease to fight for them, praying always. Pray for the Holy Church founded by Jesus Christ, be faithful to God and you will lack of nothing. Trust in what Jesus Christ teaches you, learning you will be victorious. Help to the Holy Father with your prayers, he has a mission so beautiful and you must help him get to the end. The end is near, but is not the end of the world, is the end of a time. I love you much and I cover you with My Mantle of Love. Brazil, Brazil, three times you were called and you are not yet prepared to overcome the time that is approaching to you. Listen to the Voice of God and ask the Light to avoid falling into the abyss. You are called by the Force of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. For all nations have come the warnings, who values, takes care of the soul and gets ready to win. The Holy Trinity is calling constantly.
Now I bless you in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Mother of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world,
Mary, the Immaculate Conception.
You must meditate on the Holy Gospel today: Matthew 28:16-20.
Christ was/is God. His humanity and his divine nature are forever intertwined. It was Christ, God and man who died on the Cross -- it was not the Father nor the Spirit, but God the Son who died on the Cross. It was not some man possessed by the spirit by God.
if we say Mary bore just the human nature, we are splitting the nature of Christ into two.
Mary bore God, not just a human "possesed by the spirit of God"
Mary was/is God's creation and it is a miracle and a sign of God's ability to humble Himself that He was borne by one of His creations.
ok, so what do you believe in?
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is/was God and Man?
Do you believe that He is God with the Father and the Son? If not, what do you believe in?
I think it fits whichever audience he’s speaking to: Islam definitely; and with Christians, so many not taking the time to dissect the words themselves, and so many more not even knowing the subject.
You’re exactly correct, cc. Have a great day!
Hmm, that's odd. Googling Holy Ghost naughty seems to turn up repeated claims on Free Republic (it appears the first one was ever entertaining Tennessee Nana - strange that you are taking your education of Mormonism from her).
Maybe you should use this same Google, which you so fondly recommend, to look up what Mormons believe "state of probation" means. You might start in Alma 12. You will find it have nothing to do with having been naughty.
But then, you would lose one of your so-cool talking points, so I suspect you won't do that.
Primitive Christianity is a movement that attempts to practice the exact “faith once delivered to the Saints” (Jude 1:3). That is to say, the doctrines and practices that Jesus conveyed to the first apostles without changes, embellishment or contamination by people who thought they knew better.
Such Christians observe the same Sabbath that Jesus observed, they keep the same Holy Days that Jesus kept and no others and they do His commandments fully, not adding to them (Revelation 22:14). They would also utterly reject the observation of any syncretic days such as Halloween or Xmas.
see for example the book by Alan Knight, Primitive Christianity in Crisis.
Additionally, and more to your question, see:
Study Topic: Is God really a Trinity?
By John H. Ogwyn
http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/lcg/studytopics/lcg-st.cgi?category=FalseReligion1&item=1116550111
Ok, so no Christmas or Easter and no Sunday Holy Day but Sabbath?
That is to say, the doctrines and practices that Jesus conveyed to the first apostles without changes, embellishment or contamination by people who thought they knew better. -- please clarify, do you mean also none of St. Paul's teachings?
Sorry, but since I have good friends who go to The Church of God, I knew they believed in the Trinity. See below
Declaration of Faith
The Church of God believes the whole Bible to be completely and equally inspired and that it is the written Word of God. The Church of God has adopted the following Declaration of Faith as its standard and official expression of its doctrine.
We Believe:
In the verbal inspiration of the Bible.
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In one God eternally existing in three persons; namely, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
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That Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father, conceived of the Holy Ghost, and born of the Virgin Mary. That Jesus was crucified, buried, and raised from the dead. That He ascended to heaven and is today at the right hand of the Father as the Intercessor.
That all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and that repentance is commanded of God for all and necessary for forgiveness of sins.
That justification, regeneration, and the new birth are wrought by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.
In sanctification subsequent to the new birth, through faith in the blood of Christ; through the Word, and by the Holy Ghost.
Holiness to be God’s standard of living for His people.
In the baptism with the Holy Ghost subsequent to a clean heart.
In speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance and that it is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
In water baptism by immersion, and all who repent should be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Divine healing is provided for all in the atonement.
In the Lord’s Supper and washing of the saints’ feet.
In the premillennial second coming of Jesus. First, to resurrect the righteous dead and to catch away the living saints to Him in the air. Second, to reign on the earth a thousand years.
In the bodily resurrection; eternal life for the righteous, and eternal punishment for the wicked.
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http://www.churchofgod.org/index.php/pages/declairation-of-faith
I am an Evangelical Christian who goes to an Evangelical Free Church.
My church believes that in the old testament, we did not have the inspired word of God, so prophets (seer) were needed. Today since we do have God's word, we no long need prophets, because we have the inspired Word of God directing us.
I understand various Catholic and protestant denominations believe in prophets of today. When I first became a Christian, I to attended one church that had prophets. When I studied God's word more, and did not let the prophet hold me hostage over what they said versus God's Word, I left. I'm not trying to insult anyone, but am curious as to what denominations believe in prophets. The church I attended relied more on the prophet than God's own word.
What I do know is that the Mormon's depend on seerers and change their doctrine according to what the seer (or is it seerer?) says.
Does anyone call the Jewish faith a "cult"
“There is NO trinity, but metaphors. “
Metaphors are simply “a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance...”
The Godhead is real.
Many instances in the Bible have more than one Person of the Godhead appearing at the same time. Metaphors do no appear - or have physical shapes or sounds.
You have some serious bad theology there FRiend.
Oh, TP,
Somehow you managed to pick one word out of a post about the 4 Mormon Earth Gods and focus it on a side comment... clearly acknowledging the truth of mormonism’s teaching about multiplying gods.
I’m more than willing to set aside the “probation” of the naughty spirit who didn’t qualify to get a body - a requisite for mormonic teaching about the path to godhood - but got in anyway.
The fact remains, mormonism is a perverted and bizarre theology of millions or billions or trillions of gods that breed in the heavens. None of which is true - nor Biblical.
That is the point of my post. Those are my “talking points”. Of course, mormons themselves would never describe the spirit as naughty. You knew that before you googled, I suspect.
Original question.
"Do you exercise the gifts of the Spirit?"
We all do if we pray. If your are talking about the 9 gifts of the Spirit? Yes.
1Corinthians 12
Speaking in tongues. Tongues meaning languages.
What happens is an unction and movement that you can vocalize. The unction you know is not you at first you can only bring this out. Why? The Holy Spirit is a perfect gentlemen. It is not to be boastful because it is a gift not earned. I am amazed at the abuses I see on people who say they practice this gift like they are above others.
Just simple pray is just as good in a humble simple mannered believer. "A humble and contrite heart he will not ignore."
When we just pray we are speaking in the spirit without a doubt in any style.
I hope this helps your question. May Christ richly bless us as we seek him in our lives everyday.
Freeper Cheers!
That right there sums it up.
Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness. May the Lord reveal Himself to you in a bigger way. Be blessed.
I do not believe the Jewish faith is a cult.
Plurality of God in the Old Testament
Gen. 1:26, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’”
Angels do not create.
We are not made in the image of angels
There is no place in the OT where a leader refers to himself with the term “us.”
Gen. 3:22, “Then the Lord God said, ‘Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever -’”
Gen. 11:7, “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”
Gen. 19:24, “Then the Lord [YHWH] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord [YHWH] out of heaven.”
Psalm 45:6-7, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom. 7Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Thy God, has anointed Thee.”
This is quoted in Heb. 1:8, “But of the Son He [God] says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.”
The Jehovah’s Witness Bible has it translated as “God is thy Throne forever and ever...” But, God would not be a throne for anyone. A king sits upon a throne and God sits on His throne, not anyone else on God as a throne.
Isaiah 6:8, “Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, ‘Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!’”
Isaiah 48:16, “Come near to Me [God], listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”
Amos 4:10-11, “I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, And I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; Yet you have not returned to Me,” declares the Lord [YHWH]. 11“I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, And you were like a firebrand snatched from a blaze; Yet you have not returned to Me,” declares the Lord.”
“1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
“The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word”
It seems to be the sin of pride for the created Be Blessed that you were called, chosen and grafted in. All scripture was written by Jews.
Yah seems to relate to us as a man(Yah'shua) 1:1 בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ Does the Clay get to define the Potter ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
I don't think so.
See Isaiah 64 for illumination.
to define the creator in Anthropomorphic terms. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory
That seems to be a description of YHvH's Shekhinah.
and the exact representation of his being,
sustaining all things by his powerful word And the Word became flesh, and dwelt(tabernacled) among us.
The YHvH's Shekhinah filled the Tabernacle.
and as the Holy breath or Ru'ach: YHvH In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
There are seven words;
the servant lamp is Aleph and Tav
Those letters in Greek are Alpha and Omega.
Yah'shua said He was the Alpha and Omega.
I appreciate that, Uriel, but it doesn't change the fact that you rely on different words but believe the same scriptures.
I had an extended conversation with Buggman on this subject once upon a time, and it became clear to me that I would be mistaken were I to lump Buggman with anti-trinitarians.
He never tried to explain away the scriptures. He was very honest throughout. It was one reason I defended him against those ready to call messianism heretical for rejecting trinitarianism.
Jesus had a simple message and it was not loaded down with trinity stuff or anything else! I already wrote it and it is being promoted at the fhu.com....the church has fallen down and we are in the apostasy big time. For those who are aware, they see this clearly.
Seek YHvH in His WORD. Yah'shua is quoted in Peter's book written down by Mark:
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
NAsbU Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is,
Yah'shua was confirming what He said in Deuteronomy
'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH; NAsbU Deuteronomy 6:4
I assume you celebrate the Pagan days
"Hear, O Israel! YHvH is our God, YHvH is one!
of christmas, easter and Sunday ?
Only one AMPU? where are all his other wives?
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