Posted on 07/22/2012 2:20:02 PM PDT by stpio
As usual, none of my five siblings or their families go to Holy Mass on Sunday. A Commandment is a Commandment, in the New Covenant assembling to worship God on Sunday is divine law. Does anyone else have family who skip Church on Sunday? Our nation is going further and further away from God. Are we seeing the beginning of God's just judgment?
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* Hidden in Scripture, message from Mary: the dire effect of violating Sabbath *
July 20, 2012
We all know the requirement to attend Mass every weekend. Few realize, however, how seriously Heaven takes this.
That seriousness is witnessed in the Old Testament.
Look at Exodus 32, the Lord saying to Moses:
"You must also tell the Israelites: Take care to keep my Sabbaths, for that is to be the token between you and Me through the generations, to show that it is I, the Lord, Who make you holy. Therefore, you must keep the Sabbath as something sacred. Whoever desecrates it shall be put to death."
Tough stuff.
And granted, Christ came with a new covenant (one that in many ways was gentler).
There were not the harsh judgments we find in many parts of the Old.
But the Bible is the Bible and that the Sabbath is important seemed in ample evidence also when the Virgin Mary appeared in 1846 at LaSalette, France, and specifically warned that there was a chastisement coming because people were violating the law of weekly worship.
"I gave you six days to work, I kept the seventh for myself, and no one wishes to grant it to me," said Mary in September of 1846 to two visionaries.
"This is what weighs down the arm of my Son.
"If the harvest is spoiled, it is only because of the rest of you. I made you see this last year with the potatoes; you took little account of this. It was quite the opposite when you found bad potatoes; you swore oaths, and you included the Name of my Son. They will continue to go bad; at Christmas there will be none left. A great famine will come. Before the famine comes, children under the age of seven will begin to tremble and will die in the arms of those who hold them."
A bit like Exodus?
The Blessed Mother warned that the potatoes would rot and there would be a famine and she said they had been given a warning the previous years when they found some bad potatoes.
Now, they would all be bad, or far more.
And, incredibly: it was the onset of what became known in Ireland and this part of France as well as elsewhere as the Great Potato Famine.
Where a third of potatoes were "bad" the year before in Ireland (afflicted with blight), by the end of 1846 -- the year of the apparition -- three-quarters were thusly ruined.
And while few died in 1846, huge numbers were to succumb during the winter of 1847-1848, when more than a million died in Ireland alone, their bodies weakened and susceptible to diseases like cholera, which, true to Mary's words (which were approved by the Church) caused the young to tremble.
There is a pattern. We are warned. This comes through small "disasters." We heed the warning or are warned again -- this time with more serious events. And so forth.
What is the warning now? Should we note the droughts in Australia and North America? When we look at how weather events have been intensifying we see the same principle -- including with droughts that, as happened with blight, threaten widespread crop shortages. Says 2 Chronicles 36: "Until the land has retrieved its lost Sabbaths, during all the time it lies waste it shall have rest while seventy years are fulfilled."
Right now, corn farmers in the Midwest are praying (as we should also) for rain.
Serious, indeed, especially when we look at our own time and the way the Sabbath is treated now. In the U.S., weekly Mass attendance is at about 22 percent, according to one study.
Is it as bad as back in 1846, in rural France, or worse -- even far worse -- when it comes to disrespect for the Lord?
It’s important we talk about the fact it is a serious sin to skip Church on Sunday, this is a witness to God’s Commandments. All the Sunday attended Churches and Cathedrals worldwide are not a mistake. Plus...
It’s not each person deciding their own salvation. God has
revealed what we all must do to be justified.
There’s more required than the supposed general “personal
relationship with Christ.” Find a Protestant ecclesiastical
community to be a part of and go to Church on Sunday.
God bless you,
My Grandmother was completely devoted to the Blessed Virgin Mary. She sought intercession and council through prayer. I truly believe that our family was protected during the lifelong course of prayer of my Grandmother.
Funny thing... as life and time move on... you have family members who seek other forms of worship. Amazing how my devout sweet Memere NEVER EVER condemned a single one. She knew as I and many here truly know, that GOD KNOWS YOUR HEART, YOUR ACTIONS, YOUR SOUL... so stop with the condemnation. It really is NOT up to you sir... the only one who judges is God. I see many at Mass who are not at all "engaged" with what they are doing...and then I see others who give themselves to others on the Lord's day... and perhaps they cannot attend Mass because their responsibilities take them there. I really don't think that God is keeping score on your Mass attendance, He is more likely keeping score on your LIFE attendance and what you are doing during that performance.
You really should pray and speak to God every day and do good works of charity and mercy. I truly believe that is what we are called to do. Attend a church or cathedral on Sunday is wonderful, but if you are called to administer to the sick or infirm or feed the poor... I am quite sure that the Lord God would look upon that as preferable to most patron’s who attend Mass on any given Sunday.
“Funny thing... as life and time move on... you have family members who seek other forms of worship. Amazing how my devout sweet Memere NEVER EVER condemned a single one. She knew as I and many here truly know, that GOD KNOWS YOUR HEART, YOUR ACTIONS, YOUR SOUL... so stop with the condemnation. It really is NOT up to you sir... the only one who judges is God. I see many at Mass who are not at all “engaged” with what they are doing...and then I see others who give themselves to others on the Lord’s day... and perhaps they cannot attend Mass because their responsibilities take them there. I really don’t think that God is keeping score on your Mass attendance, He is more likely keeping score on your LIFE attendance and what you are doing during that performance.”
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Hi, have you...
Read the OP, I don’t think Our Lady is condemning anyone
and neither am I. She warned at La Salette, like the verse in Exodus of judgment finally comes for those who reject Sunday worship and rest. Most of my family no longer attends, I happy you do. Preach it instead, speak of the grace you receive attending Mass. You can do both, good works and go to Mass. All Christians must keep the Lord’s Day.
Sunday Mass isn’t an option, that’s the Truth.
blessings,
It is not I who is flattering myself, while It is you who rely on rhetoric and bombast, as here, and throwing what the Moderator himself rightly termed “spitwads, that being after it was shown — in response to another of your self-righteous protestations, and unproven assertions of ignorance and misrepresentation — that it is you who has been unapologetically (and who remains so) guilty of making brazen false charges.
And rather than me being disingenuous as per your latest charge (but at least not malevolent), it was shown that i did not misrepresent Basil, that being the specific complaint. And you continue to resort to making this “personal,” thus fostering a response in kind. Either put up or shutup. You can go back to trying to reduce blame for Catholics electing Obama based upon how many did not vote at all!
To God be the glory, and who will not give His praise to graven images, (Is. 42:8) but “every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. “ (Revelation 5:13)
“You have been shown why you have excluded yourself from engaging in meaningful debate. And as for conversion testimonies, i can counter your video testimony with testimonies from Rome to to evangelical faith, as far more swim the Tiber from Rome to evangelical churches, mostly primarily due to spiritual deficiency in Rome, than the other way around.”
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Daniel,
I am sad if you didn’t watch the Youtube.
“Meaningful debate”...
There is no need for debate, there is one Truth. Fits, one
Lord, one faith, one Baptism. So does one Church. You
must cross the Tiber. The Remnant is Roman Catholic.
The choice, you make it, to receive Our Lord, God Himself or juice and crackers? Pride keeps you away. Don’t you realize, some changes are a sign of maturity, of growth. There is a prayer many converts from Protestants have prayed.
Jesus, lead me to the Truth.
God bless you,
TRUE BELIEVERS’...doesn’t cut it.
It does with God and new flash - it's not about you!
TRUE BELIEVERS belong to JESUS and JESUS ALONE - just the way God wants it! IT IS ALL ABOUT JESUS!!
Who and What were people PROTESTING about? So the label was given. They were TRUE BELIEVERS! Thank you, Luther, er al, for HEARING and OBEYING.
I am not your dancing bear and I am not going to allow you to bate me into a personal exchange However, I will continue to criticize your scholarship and false conclusions. If you take that personally that is your problem. What, after all, do you think an open forum is for?
When an offensive comment is made about "Catholics" and "Rome" we are reminded by the Religion Moderator that group or doctrinal comments are not personal, not to be taken personally and to either develop a thick enough skin for these town square discussions or limit our participation to caucus and ecumenical threads. I advise you to do the same. If the big bad Catholics won't play nice, don't play with or taunt them.
One man's "spit-wads" is another mans affirmation of Truth. A sympathetic moderator does not determine truth, as pointed out in the Forum Guidelines. I would also remind you of the forum policies against making threads about individuals and dragging arguments from thread to thread.
I sincerely pray that the Peace of Christ bless and keep you.
With all due respect, I am just not going to read 2500+ carefully cut and pasted words that reinforce doctrine that has already been refuted and rejected by the Church. I have neither the time nor the desire to be force fed Protestant conjecture.
I have an extensive reading list that includes analysis of the major heresies including those of the Reformation. All that is necessary in these forums is for me to recognize them in the argument and I stop reading. If it comforts you in doing so please continue, just expect it to more than skimmed by me.
Peace be with you
The Lord's day if the figment of imagination for anyone who believes it has anything to do with worshiping on Sunday...Jesus doesn't care which day you make the Lord's Day...He'd like it to be every day...
The Catholic Lord's Day was invented by the Catholic religion to put people under bondage...It is not from God...It is not biblical...
Unlike Catholics, we are not under the law, but grace...There is no sin committed if we miss or don't even go to church...
You are causing folks to stumble when you put them under this, and any other yoke of bondage...
What insolence! You are the one who once again made this personal with me by fallacious charges, while engaging in criticism of my scholarship, which per usual has been unsubstantiated, unproven, and false.
One man's "spit-wads" is another mans affirmation of Truth.
You can argue with the ump and as usual, charge them with bias, but the fact is the you would be out on strikes a long time ago if not for their manifest leniency toward you.
Discuss the issues all you want but don't make it personal - unless you want to risk others responding in kind in defense.
And John, i do apologize for any imputation of motives to you.
Yes, let's do.
“The Lord’s day if the figment of imagination for anyone who believes it has anything to do with worshiping on Sunday...Jesus doesn’t care which day you make the Lord’s Day...He’d like it to be EVERY DAY...
The Catholic Lord’s Day was invented by the Catholic religion to put people under BONDAGE...It is not from God...It is NOT biblical”...
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Hello Iscool,
An excuse so of course, Our Lord desires our love and worship every day but Sunday is special. We must keep God’s 3rd Commandment (Protestants list the order of the 10 Commandments differently). In the New Covenant, Sunday worship and rest replaces the Sabbath and is now called the Lord’s Day.
Do not reject the Truth. Again, how can anyone ignore, why all the Churches and Cathedrals, Protestant and Catholic worldwide and why do Christians gather there specifically every Sunday?
The protest about “bondage”, the Catholic Church does not bind or control anyone. Everyone has free will.
Yes it is Biblical, here are 12 plus verses from Scripture to confirm the Truth.
Scripture
Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.
Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.
Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.
1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.
Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”
2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the APOSTLES changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “ANOTHER DAY,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.
Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.
Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.
Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.
http://www.catholicscripture.com/
Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “ANOTHER DAY,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.
An important verse to remember, I wonder if the KJV reads the same as the Douay-Rheims?
Believe me, you were NOT the person I directed the post to. It is important that people who ARE interested in unbiased information have that opportunity to read it in context to the discussions that go on here. Continue to believe whatever you want, but you cannot say you were never exposed to the truth.
“Believe me, you were NOT the person I directed the post to. It is important that people who ARE interested in unbiased information have that opportunity to read it in context to the discussions that go on here.”
Yep. Lurkers like me. I try to stay out of the food fights, but I can’t believe how much I’m learning. Thanks, BB.
NL, a tip on salesmanship. Never, ever tell the prospect you don’t give a rip what they have to say. Think it, feel it, but never say it. I’ll bet you don’t work in sales, do you.
Peace,
SR
I understand that is the tradition, but that is not the correct interpretation of those verses.
For example:
1Co 16:2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.
The word "day" is italicized in most translations to make it clear that the word does not actually appear in the greek text.
In greek, from which this is translated, the literal meaning is "the first of the sabbaths". Most likely it is referring to the count of the sabbaths that occur between the days of unleavened bread and Pentecost, two of the feasts of the Lord.
One of the oldest English translations, the Bishops Bible, renders the verse:
1Co 16:2 Upon some Sabboth daye, let euery one of you put asyde by hym selfe, and laye vp as God hath prospered hym, that then there be no gatherynges when I come.
Nearly all instances of "first day of the week" in some English versions means the same thing...one of the sabbaths or the first of the sabbaths.
I understand that is the tradition, but that is not the correct interpretation of those verses.
For example:
1Co 16:2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.
The word "day" is italicized in most translations to make it clear that the word does not actually appear in the greek text.
In greek, from which this is translated, the literal meaning is "the first of the sabbaths". Most likely it is referring to the count of the sabbaths that occur between the days of unleavened bread and Pentecost, two of the feasts of the Lord.
One of the oldest English translations, the Bishops Bible, renders the verse:
1Co 16:2 Upon some Sabboth daye, let euery one of you put asyde by hym selfe, and laye vp as God hath prospered hym, that then there be no gatherynges when I come.
Nearly all instances of "first day of the week" in some English versions means the same thing...one of the sabbaths or the first of the sabbaths.
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