Posted on 07/22/2012 2:20:02 PM PDT by stpio
As usual, none of my five siblings or their families go to Holy Mass on Sunday. A Commandment is a Commandment, in the New Covenant assembling to worship God on Sunday is divine law. Does anyone else have family who skip Church on Sunday? Our nation is going further and further away from God. Are we seeing the beginning of God's just judgment?
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* Hidden in Scripture, message from Mary: the dire effect of violating Sabbath *
July 20, 2012
We all know the requirement to attend Mass every weekend. Few realize, however, how seriously Heaven takes this.
That seriousness is witnessed in the Old Testament.
Look at Exodus 32, the Lord saying to Moses:
"You must also tell the Israelites: Take care to keep my Sabbaths, for that is to be the token between you and Me through the generations, to show that it is I, the Lord, Who make you holy. Therefore, you must keep the Sabbath as something sacred. Whoever desecrates it shall be put to death."
Tough stuff.
And granted, Christ came with a new covenant (one that in many ways was gentler).
There were not the harsh judgments we find in many parts of the Old.
But the Bible is the Bible and that the Sabbath is important seemed in ample evidence also when the Virgin Mary appeared in 1846 at LaSalette, France, and specifically warned that there was a chastisement coming because people were violating the law of weekly worship.
"I gave you six days to work, I kept the seventh for myself, and no one wishes to grant it to me," said Mary in September of 1846 to two visionaries.
"This is what weighs down the arm of my Son.
"If the harvest is spoiled, it is only because of the rest of you. I made you see this last year with the potatoes; you took little account of this. It was quite the opposite when you found bad potatoes; you swore oaths, and you included the Name of my Son. They will continue to go bad; at Christmas there will be none left. A great famine will come. Before the famine comes, children under the age of seven will begin to tremble and will die in the arms of those who hold them."
A bit like Exodus?
The Blessed Mother warned that the potatoes would rot and there would be a famine and she said they had been given a warning the previous years when they found some bad potatoes.
Now, they would all be bad, or far more.
And, incredibly: it was the onset of what became known in Ireland and this part of France as well as elsewhere as the Great Potato Famine.
Where a third of potatoes were "bad" the year before in Ireland (afflicted with blight), by the end of 1846 -- the year of the apparition -- three-quarters were thusly ruined.
And while few died in 1846, huge numbers were to succumb during the winter of 1847-1848, when more than a million died in Ireland alone, their bodies weakened and susceptible to diseases like cholera, which, true to Mary's words (which were approved by the Church) caused the young to tremble.
There is a pattern. We are warned. This comes through small "disasters." We heed the warning or are warned again -- this time with more serious events. And so forth.
What is the warning now? Should we note the droughts in Australia and North America? When we look at how weather events have been intensifying we see the same principle -- including with droughts that, as happened with blight, threaten widespread crop shortages. Says 2 Chronicles 36: "Until the land has retrieved its lost Sabbaths, during all the time it lies waste it shall have rest while seventy years are fulfilled."
Right now, corn farmers in the Midwest are praying (as we should also) for rain.
Serious, indeed, especially when we look at our own time and the way the Sabbath is treated now. In the U.S., weekly Mass attendance is at about 22 percent, according to one study.
Is it as bad as back in 1846, in rural France, or worse -- even far worse -- when it comes to disrespect for the Lord?
And that’s not all that is ascribed in RC Marian hyper exaltation: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/MarySC.html
I try to set aside at least an hour or so every Saturday to study and contemplate that week’s Torah and Haftorah sections. And somewhat less occasionally, I’ll go to synagogue. Then sometimes on Sundays, I’ll spend a little time with the New Testament for Biblical knowledge’s sake...but I really don’t like Paul, at all.
thank you so much . You are so smart and helpful.
Just another attempt to impart divinity to Mary.
SHE gave us the sabbath????
I don't think so, but that won't stop the Mary worshipers from trying.
I doubt the apparition was Mary since it was trying to take credit for what only God could do and did do.
What Lawyered up Data dumping horse crap. It looks good till you really read it. Then if I go to the fine original print to real sources. You realize it is the view of the the so called scholar not the original early church fathers. It is his view then goofing off with verses to his bias view. What a nice chart of columns that go nowhere in real truth. What the neat look overrides logic for an intelligent debate.
I have been reading this nonsense just to try to know to be fair but it always fails.
Danny the Data dumper.
It is always misunderstanding a true Catholic view. Take a little verse here add his salted view to it. Presto! Eureka! Lawyered it up.
What I find interesting is a qoute from The Catholic Enclopedia has now URL high light like others. It goes on and on.
Trying to be helpful, but not smart.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Heb 4:9-10 “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his”
Jesus is our sabbath rest
correction
"What I find interesting is a qoute from The Catholic Enclopedia has now URL high light like others. It goes on and on. "
I meant has no URL highlight like the others'. Because it can be taken out of context.
“Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Heb 4:9-10 “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his”
Jesus is our sabbath rest”
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“Jesus is our Sabbath rest” is confusing, please share, what do you mean?
Look at verse 8 in Hebrews Chapter 4:
“For if Jesus had given them rest, he would never have afterwards spoken of another day.”
God was displeased with the Sabbath, Isaiah 1:13. God sees
all of time, the Sabbath was changed to the Lord’s Day, celebrated in the New Covenant on the “first day of the week” instead of Saturday to honor Our Lord’s resurrection.
Seriously? You are gonna mock someone else for “data dumping”?
The Michael Brown article at Spiritdaily is correct.
God warns and warns. Sometimes He sends Our Lady to warn.
America is not heading His warnings even now as they are
increasing. Who gives God one day a week, actually goes to Church? The vile in the movies and electronics, no purity in the children, we have two pro-abort, pro-sodomite candidates running for the highest office in the land.
A major judgment is coming and soon. It’s over 40 years now, a biblical amount of time.
Drat, I meant to type “heeding His warnings.”....
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No matter our faith background, we all must look toward
Jesus as the days get worse. And His way, He sends His mother for our help and direction.
July 20, 2012
Blessed Mother says: “Praise be to Jesus.”
“Today, dear children, I am calling each and all of you to unity of heart. Be of one mind and one heart. Work towards the conversion of as many souls as possible before My Son’s return. This is why I am here in your midst seeking the Consecration of the heart of the world to Our United Hearts. This Consecration will increase the Remnant Faithful and strengthen it in what is to come. In many cases, it will unravel the lies Satan has woven into the fabric of society today.”
“At Fatima My request was for the conversion of Russia; but today the need is for worldwide conversion of heart. Do not think that a global government is the answer. The world today does not need a human solution but a spiritual solution - a spiritual correction of heart.* This is why I come to you. I seek the spiritual renewal of the heart of the world through Our United Hearts.”
Read Philippians 2:1-4
*Note: A spiritual correction refers to repentance and conversion of heart.
I have a sneaky suspection that one of the reasons for overweight was there were only 2 drive inns...Big Boy and A & W where you ate in your car...If you were hungry you ate at home not at the local drive through. There was no such thing as a drive through fast food place.. This were mostly kids eating/meeting places... There were none and stopping to eat at a restaurant was expensive and took time.....
What Lawyered up Data dumping horse crap. It looks good till you really read it. Then if I go to the fine original print to real sources. You realize it is the view of the the so called scholar not the original early church fathers. It is his view then goofing off with verses to his bias view. What a nice chart of columns that go nowhere in real truth. What the neat look overrides logic for an intelligent debate.
Your argument by whining and scorn is a specious attempt to try to avoid the reproof of the RC data at issue, with his “goofing off with verses to his bias view,” which (as is referenced) was that of your massive "data dump," and which you did not even bother to give attribution for, which could imply it was your own!
Nor do you do not even bother to reference whatever you meant by “fine original print,” while the three links to church “fathers,” which are not in “fine print,” are indeed to actual quotes in 2 cases, with the third being to commentary on Cyril by a conservative Roman Catholic priest.
Your inference that the commentary misleads people into mistaking the commentary for church fathers (which were only briefly dealt with) is bombast, as is your blithe dismissal of it all as horse excrement, while purportedly desiring “intelligent debate.” Which you have thus excluded yourself as engaging in. Bye.
Indeed. At least the “dump” part is referenced, that of his own unattributed cut and paste, while my argumentation was hardly a “dump,” regardless of his inability to understand it, but the work of many many hours.
As usual, none of my five siblings or their families go to Holy Mass on Sunday. A Commandment is a Commandment, in the New Covenant assembling to worship God on Sunday is divine law. Does anyone else have family who skip Church on Sunday? Our nation is going further and further away from God. Are we seeing the beginning of God’s just judgment?
I do try to rest on the sabbath though as resting on the seventh day is what God commanded.
Contrary to the teaching of Seventh Day Adventists the early Church gathered for worship on the Lord’s Day (Sunday), not Saturday, in honor of the day our Lord rose from the dead.
Jesus rested on the Sabbath and was resurrected on the first day of the week ( sunday ) and for that reason sunday is called the lords day and that is when the believers held service.
Sunday has been given the title the Christian Sabbath and to justify it they have to try to change the meaning of different scriptures.
The sabbath is a day of rest.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Changing the sabbath from the seventh day to the first day would be just like changing the out come of world war 2, it is a done deal it can not be changed.
Sat is the seventh day as it has always been and is the Lords sabbath
The early Christians held services on sunday for two reasons.
1.They honored the sabbath as a day of rest.
2.They honored the first day as the lords day.
Your entitled to post what you want. But the writings you find are always Lathering Lawyered nonsense. Soap suds.
I do read your posted theology. . There is no way to begin with some of the nonsense.
I just looked up St. Basil. He firmly believed in The Blessed Mary. You have him implying something that is not presented in full text then with an opinion from another writer.
St. Basil the Great
Born probably 329; died 1 January, 379
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3202360.htm
Letter 360. Of the Holy Trinity, the Incarnation, the invocation of Saints, and their Images.
"I confess to the oeconomy of the Son in the flesh, and that the holy Mary, who gave birth to Him according to the flesh, was Mother of God. I acknowledge also the holy apostles, prophets, and martyrs; and I invoke them to supplication to God, that through them, that is, through their mediation, the merciful God may be propitious to me, and that a ransom may be made and given me for my sins. Wherefore also I honour and kiss the features of their images, inasmuch as they have been handed down from the holy apostles, and are not forbidden, but are in all our churches"<.
We all should be reading the full texts of early church fathers. I have software with the original church fathers. Almost 99 percent when a scholar is presented by people against the Catholic church early writings it is out of context. Time and time again.
I pray for all of us on these threads which I believe their are people on both sides who do so too.
What with The middle east going up in smoke according to biblical prophecies. Then this massacre at a theatre for a movie with a title Dark Night Rising. The demoniacs are coming out like busters I do not care to always be posting with daily life getting busier too. But that is my opinion on the writings. There are more important things going on right now.
http://www.northforest.org/EarlyChurchFathers/MaryRef.html#Sinless
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