What Lawyered up Data dumping horse crap. It looks good till you really read it. Then if I go to the fine original print to real sources. You realize it is the view of the the so called scholar not the original early church fathers. It is his view then goofing off with verses to his bias view. What a nice chart of columns that go nowhere in real truth. What the neat look overrides logic for an intelligent debate.
Your argument by whining and scorn is a specious attempt to try to avoid the reproof of the RC data at issue, with his “goofing off with verses to his bias view,” which (as is referenced) was that of your massive "data dump," and which you did not even bother to give attribution for, which could imply it was your own!
Nor do you do not even bother to reference whatever you meant by “fine original print,” while the three links to church “fathers,” which are not in “fine print,” are indeed to actual quotes in 2 cases, with the third being to commentary on Cyril by a conservative Roman Catholic priest.
Your inference that the commentary misleads people into mistaking the commentary for church fathers (which were only briefly dealt with) is bombast, as is your blithe dismissal of it all as horse excrement, while purportedly desiring “intelligent debate.” Which you have thus excluded yourself as engaging in. Bye.
Your entitled to post what you want. But the writings you find are always Lathering Lawyered nonsense. Soap suds.
I do read your posted theology. . There is no way to begin with some of the nonsense.
I just looked up St. Basil. He firmly believed in The Blessed Mary. You have him implying something that is not presented in full text then with an opinion from another writer.
St. Basil the Great
Born probably 329; died 1 January, 379
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3202360.htm
Letter 360. Of the Holy Trinity, the Incarnation, the invocation of Saints, and their Images.
"I confess to the oeconomy of the Son in the flesh, and that the holy Mary, who gave birth to Him according to the flesh, was Mother of God. I acknowledge also the holy apostles, prophets, and martyrs; and I invoke them to supplication to God, that through them, that is, through their mediation, the merciful God may be propitious to me, and that a ransom may be made and given me for my sins. Wherefore also I honour and kiss the features of their images, inasmuch as they have been handed down from the holy apostles, and are not forbidden, but are in all our churches"<.
We all should be reading the full texts of early church fathers. I have software with the original church fathers. Almost 99 percent when a scholar is presented by people against the Catholic church early writings it is out of context. Time and time again.
I pray for all of us on these threads which I believe their are people on both sides who do so too.
What with The middle east going up in smoke according to biblical prophecies. Then this massacre at a theatre for a movie with a title Dark Night Rising. The demoniacs are coming out like busters I do not care to always be posting with daily life getting busier too. But that is my opinion on the writings. There are more important things going on right now.
http://www.northforest.org/EarlyChurchFathers/MaryRef.html#Sinless