RummyChick, I have seen the translations of the letters. But the point in reference to the Mannopello veil is moot as under a microscopic examination, pigments are easily seen. It is a painting. That proves it is NOT a miraculous image of Christ. There is a large amount of white pigment in the eyes and teeth areas... and other pigments, of types used in medieval paintings, in the image areas. Although you can superimpose IMAGES of the Shroud and the Mannopello veil over one another, they have to be resized to make them fit. One to one images DO NOT fit. The faces are not the same, although, a Catholic nun claims they are. Enough said.
“But the point in reference to the Mannopello veil is moot as under a microscopic examination, pigments are easily seen. It is a painting. That proves it is NOT a miraculous image of Christ. “
No it doesn’t. What it proves is that pigment has been applied sometime over the hundreds of years of existence as scholars have pointed out- it is quite possible that it has been retouched. The pigments are only in certain areas. the whole thing is not pigments.
It is quite possible that the Church commissioned the work. There is also another possibility.
As for the size - we are talking about a miracle. If it is a true miracle (of which I have no opinion ) I wouldn’t expect it to match up to size.
But it matches enough with the Shroud that you can’t possibly explain how Raphael would have been able to match it so closely. Either they both are faked by the same person or people who were in on it.. or someone copied the shroud. How could they do it in the 1500s????
http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/jaworski.pdf
You say you have seen translated letters. Who has written about them? Surely in this day and age -with so many people writing about Raphael and Durer ..someone would have written about them.
7 months ago you told me you were CERTAIN that Raphael had sent a transparent painting to Durer. Yet, there is NOTHING that I can find to back this up. He sent some drawings- that some think were the work of Romano.
I really don’t have an opinion as to the Veil. Even if Raphael was experimenting on the method - the method doesn’t look like the Veil as seen by Durer’s work still in existence. It stands to reason that Raphael might experiment with the technique. And even if Raphael tried his hand on it - I HIGHLY doubt he sent it to Durer as you claimed.
This was very expensive cloth. The only thing anyone knows of him sending to Durer doesn’t include a transparent painting on very very expensive cloth
Maybe Guilo Romano did a self portrait. He had the original Durer. Romano , if that is him depicted in the Expulsion fresco as Varsari claims - looks like the man depicted in the Veil.
But what is really fascinating is reading the way you have twisted the information.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1693902/posts
Back then, you claimed the Vasari wrote that Raphael sent back a transparent painting. He wrote no such thing.
This conclusion:
“Raphael, using the same technique and same Byssus cloth, painted his OWN portrait and sent it to Dürer.”
IS YOURS...not the language of Vasari who is really the only person to go to for information on this.
I can find NOTHING where Varsari claims that Raphael sent a transparent painting to Durer.
I think you are using conjecture - which does not prove that the Veil is fake- nor does the fact that pigments were found in the eyes.
It may be a fake. But one that is not proven.
I am still waiting on someone to explain why the lock of hair is not the same on both sides.