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To: stpio

Michael Voris is the kind of guy who makes you want to become Catholic. Unfortunately, Catholicism, with all its mechanical theology, saints and work based salvation, is far too distant for me to ever hold my nose for it. I do hope Michael trusts in Jesus Christ for his salvation, and not in his works, as I would like to see him in heaven.


2 posted on 07/01/2012 1:27:04 AM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain
Unfortunately, Catholicism, with all its mechanical theology, saints and work based salvation...

A saint is merely someone who has died and gone to heaven. The doctrine of the communion of saints has it that we on earth are still in communion with those who have died and gone to heaven. We are still all in communion, part of God's Kingdom, seen and unseen.

It may seem odd if not you're not familiar with the doctrine, but once understood, it truly is one of the most beautiul aspects of our faith as Christians.

On works, of course Catholics understand that we cannot work our way to heaven, but good works, (corporal works of mercy, alms giving etc. etc.) are part of being Christian.

11 posted on 07/01/2012 2:38:03 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: RaisingCain
Scripture is lost on linguistic literalists.

as I would like to see him in heaven.

Provided you make it there yourself which you won't know until your particular judgment.

38 posted on 07/01/2012 5:03:10 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: RaisingCain

You’re killing me. Begging the question never ends.


65 posted on 07/01/2012 6:15:44 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: RaisingCain

Cathoicism is NOT distant. It’s as close as your heart and your mind.

Love God with your whole heart, mind, body and strength.

Find a priest that you can sit down and talk with and get your questions answered.

Another suggestion — keep reading about the early Church and who knows what will happen!

God bless.


80 posted on 07/01/2012 7:02:31 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RaisingCain
please note that The Church has never taught such a doctrine and, in fact, has constantly condemned the notion that men can earn or merit salvation. Our theology as handed down by Christ through the Apostles says that it is only by God's grace--completely unmerited by works--that one is saved.

The Church teaches that it's God's grace from beginning to end which justifies, sanctifies, and saves us. As Paul explains in Philippians 2:13, "God is the one, who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work."

Remember also that it's not those who just say "Lord, Lord" who will be saved, but, as Paul says you must work to be righteous (that's different from works to get saved - you can't do that)

the Council of Trent is pretty clear when it states unambiguously that "If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or by the teaching of the Law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema" (Session 6; can. 1). "let him be anathema" means "condemn his teachings"

138 posted on 07/02/2012 1:06:28 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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