And personally, I find the mental image of a bunch of pre-Columbian aboriginal people running about in trap door long johns ... delightsome!
Posted on 06/20/2012 11:33:38 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
From Wikipedia about Moroni: "a religious and military leader from the Book of Mormon who rallied people to successfully defend their freedoms and religious freedoms against enemies from within who wanted to overthrow a government by the people in favor of establishing a king."
"According to the Book of Mormon, Captain Moroni was an important Nephite military commander and patriot... He is perhaps best known for raising the "Title of Liberty" as a call to arms for his people to defend their country, family and religion."
. . . Moroni was "only twenty and five years old when he was appointed chief captain" of the Nephites. . . .
"Moroni is usually associated with the "Title of Liberty", a standard [flag] which he raised to rally the Nephites to defend their liberties from a group of dissenters who wanted to establish their leader as a king. Moroni was so angry with Amalickiah's dissention and wicked influence that he rent his coat and wrote upon it, "In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children". With these words, he rallied his people to defend their families and their freedom, chasing the armies of Amalickiah away in the process. Any dissenters that remained, Moroni put to death, and raised up the title of liberty upon every Nephite tower, having been granted power from the chief judges and people to do such things."
This story may be of interest to some given what is happening today, with enemies of freedom, liberty and religious freedom seeking to change from government by the people per our constitution into a government wherein top leaders and powerful friends are above law.
No, I am NOT suggesting violence; just sharing a story from a different time and place.
(Excerpt) Read more at en.wikisource.org ...
Who wears the fair garmies in sleet and in snow?
It’s Hardrock and Coco and Joe!
When the garmies become burdensome, rebellion cannot be far off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPiDTZg9aVU
And personally, I find the mental image of a bunch of pre-Columbian aboriginal people running about in trap door long johns ... delightsome!
No, I am NOT suggesting violence; just sharing a story from a different time and place.
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Yeah, a story with no basis in reality. Moroni never existed and Joseph Smith DID support violence in his desire to destroy this country.
Learn your history, there is no truth in Mormonism.
And mine look like this??? Aren't my ankles and wrists and neck as sacred as hers?
You might be suggesting violence but Joseph Smith sure did:
We will establish our religion with the sword. We will trample down our enemies and make it one gore of blood, from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. I will be to this generation a 2nd Muhammad, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Al-Qur’an or the sword.’ So shall it be with us.
‘Joseph Smith or the sword!’ (History of the Church, Vol. 3, p. 167)
Unnnggghhh! What was THAT?
Humor.
Yup. Same gal.
She gets around.
(Deseretbook is owned by Lds Church, Inc.--otherwise known as the Mormon church)
Elsie...ya wanna add Captain Moroni's action-figure pix to your lineup of revolving posts?
Wow. They had towers in their time?
Can’t wait to visit the archeological sites of their ruins.
/S
Pendulum, Compass and Square...
TO: ALL THREAD PARTICIPANTS, jUSTTHETRUTH, & Mormon lurkers...and those being hit up by Mormons to join them:
Please, when you encounter a Mormon truth claim -- like this one presented by a Mormon, JusttheTruth -- read the context.
I have.
The "context" for this first Moroni (as Zakeet distinguished) is found in the chapter that JusttheTruth is indirectly referencing via his post...Alma 46 in the Book of Mormon.
When I turn to Alma 46, I first look @ the bottom of the page to see when Joseph Smith said this was written. The date? B.C. 73 ... Now B.C. 73 was over 100 years before Jesus Christ' public ministry began at age 30.
In Alma 46, the stuff about how Moroni was supposedly girded, his supposed "rent coat," his "title of liberty" is all there in v. 13...Allow me to quote the last line of verse 13...and then continue to vv. 14-15:
Alma 46:13 (last line) --> 15: ...and he prayed mightily unto his God for the blessings of liberty to rest upon his brethren, so long as there should a band of Christians remain to possess the land -- 14. For thus were all the true believers of Christ, who belonged to the church of God, called by those who did not belong to the church. 15. And those who did belong to the church were faithful; yea, all those who were true believers in Christ took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians as they were called, because of their belief in Christ who should come.
Now LOTS of questions arise here!!!
Q1 Why would Jewish people in South America use Greek words? (Christ is Greek for "Anointed") Why didn't they use the word "Messiah?"
Q2 Same question re: "Church" -- which comes from the Greek word "ekklesia" The FIRST reference for "church" in the Bible comes during Jesus' public ministry -- Matthew 18...Well into the A.D. years...Yes, there were God's people in B.C. times; but there was no "church" (by name of a "church")
Q3 Likewise, there were no "Christians" (by name) in B.C. times. How do we know this? From the New Testament, the book of Acts: The disciples were called Christians FIRST at Antioch. (Acts 11:26) Why do Mormons have problems with such a simple word as "first?" Why do they denigrate Luke, the writer of Acts, as being in error here???
Now think about it. If it's truly B.C. times over 100 years before Christ's public ministry, you're not going to get 19th century language -- like what Joseph Smith used here twice -- "belong to the church." There was no church "membership" in B.C. times; that's a 19th century imposition upon history.
Frankly, nor would you get these 19th century heavily saturated patriotic concepts like "liberty" woven thruout a chapter in B.C. 73...
liberty is mentioned twice in v. 13;
"freedom of the land" in v. 16;
doesn't "land of liberty" in v. 17 sound like an a distinctly American conceptual phrase superimposed here?
"liberty" mentioned again in vv. 24,28
"cause of freedom" and "covenant of freedom" in v. 35
"standard of liberty" -- again a 19th century conceptual phrase superimposed within history in v. 36
To wrap this up...for all you Mormons who think that Alma 46 were "prophesies" about the future...note how Joseph Smith -- in Alma 46:39 -- got confused in his past vs. present tense renderings. Go ahead. Look it up yourself. If you were a "prophet" predicting some future redemption of Christ, you would phrase that with future tense grammar.
Instead...what do we find in Alma 46:39: And it came to pass that there were many who died, firmly believing that their souls WERE REDEEMED by the Lord Jesus Christ...
Instead of describing the cross as a future act; it is depicted in the past...Exactly how somebody writing all this in the 1820s would do...
Nitpickin Gracer.
Why yuh gotta be a hater?
Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon.....
Nitpickin Gracer.
Why yuh gotta be a hater?
Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon.....
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