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In closing, we understand that the case for a particular millennial view does not rest solely on what certain Christians in the early church believed. Scripture, not church history determines the correctness of a theological view. But it seems to us that the historical argument is on the side of premillennialism since people close to John held premillennial views and premillennialism was the overwhelming view of those in Asia Minor and the church as a whole of the second century.17

[wmfights]

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After confirming that a belief/doctrine is clearly established in Scripture, it's nice to read the evidence that premillenialism was widely believed in the Apostolic Era and the immediate generations following.

[stpio]

“The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene age is the prominent chiliasm, or millenarianism, that is the belief of a visible reign of Christ in glory on earth with the risen saints for a thousand years, before the general resurrection and judgment.”

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Yes, they’re wrong. Jesus is coming spiritually for the millennium. There will be many signs and wonders but He isn’t returning to the earth physically to reign.

Where do people get the above idea? There is an intermediate coming of Christ, it is spiritual.

Some Christians and non-Christians reject the pinnacle of the faith now, how sad but watch what God can do. The millennium is the Eucharistic Reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

[SkyDancer]

They thought it was going to happen real soon, like even in their life time. Paul thought so but then he later relented.

[redgolum]

It was honestly split among the early church. The views on the millennium are not a “settled” question till very late. In fact, a great many in the Middle Ages still talked of it.

As far as I know, the Roman Catholic church didn't rule infallibly on it. The trend has been for the last few hundred years against it being a literal 1000 years.

[stpio]

The first sentence in the OP says be careful about Church
history. LOL, yeah, you got a group saying the first
Christians, naming some of them, that they believed in Millenarianism.

For the third time, how come the author and others here
won’t look at what these same men believed on other things
of faith. I’ll name one, the summit, Our Lord’s presence in the most Holy Eucharist?

The Church DOES NOT teach Our Lord is returning personally
to reign during the Millennium or whatever the amount of time the 7th Day amounts to...

Here, from the Catechism:

paragraph 676 - The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.578

Come to believe in the Eucharist now, Our Lord wishes and if not now, after everyone experiences the Great Warning and you won’t be deceived by the anti-Christ when he attempts to take the Eucharist away. Believe the Great Warning is from God, only God knows every moment of our life.

[Cvengr]

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[ravenwolf]

Well i guess that settles that, but we can still argue about a thousand things.

I believe that it is both spiritual and actual and i believe it has already happened.

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Rev 20
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And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

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The first resurrection was the people who were resurrected with Jesus, they lived again literally with the spiritual reign of Jesus for a thousand years, they are already saved so they have no fear of the second or final death which means they may or may not have been perfect, because a lot of good things happened and a lot of not so good things happened.

They reigned as literal kings and of Priests which history can well vouch for, its all been wrote down.

The thousand years are most likely finished and satan has been let loose for a spell, now it is our turn, we were not in the first resurrection but we now have a chance to acknowledge Jesus as our lord by refusing the mark of the beast.

Remember that a day is as a thousand years, in other words the last day that Jesus mentioned could be as much as an other thousands years, but if that last day started 999 years ago that does not give us much time. just generalizing.

I don,t expect any one to congratulate me for my non wisdom nor even to half way agree, but it is just what i believe.

[stpio]

No one yet has shown their ‘Bible Alone’ belief supports
Jesus is returning to reign on earth in His Person during the 7th Day. The reason, it’s not true, the Church rejects this belief. And how...

Inconsistent, the author in the OP wishes to show the first Christians believed in millenarianism, naming some of them stating they knew and were taught by the Apostles while totally ignoring these same men Polycarp and Irenaeus believed in Our Lord’s presence in the Holy Eucharist!

Polycarp was/is a Roman Catholic priest.