Posted on 06/13/2012 7:46:26 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
What has going to HELL got to do with it?
MORMONs who have a Temple REcommend® SWEAR that they 'keep the Word of Wisdom'.
I merely showed it.
If a MORMON lies about it; it seems that THEY are the one with a problem - namely that they will NOT get to ascend to the HIGHEST level of MORMON 'heaven'.
John 3:18
Believe it or don’t.
Just followers of a SATANIC deception...
Mormons and Muslims are brothers, both were started by deranged murdering child-molsters desiring sex with multiple children and women. Neither are good for the world.
Exactly. They are lost, like all that do not know Christ. But they are no more sinners than the rest of us.
That being said, there are also many decent Muslims, but Islam it self is evil. There are decent, compassionate socialists also, but socialism is evil.
and there are true Christians who are not very strong in the faith and sometimes succumb to Satan’s temptaions and do evil things.
Hold your horses! That was ejonesie22 I was quoting, and I assumed you would have figured that out based on the ordering of the usernames on that reply, which includes ejonesie22 first, and then you.
If you're not theistic, then what does all this matter to you re: how many gods there are? (Apparently, it doesn't)
Nonsense. Do you believe first and then raise doubts? I prefer to clarify my doubts before taking a premise as fact. One of the doubts here is whom was Jesus praying to, if God and Jesus are one. It is meaningless, and I haven't yet received a convincing answer to solve this absurdity of an entity praying to itself.
My point was the producers of South Park, who pride themselves in sparing no one, spared muslims when threatened.
I don't because I know that his real agenda is to set Christians against Romney.
I do hope, however, that more Mormons (and other cult members for that matter) end up finding truth. I think the recent spotlight on Mormon theology because of Romney could actually serve to do that.
Thanks for the elaborate reply, ejonesie22.
I understand your motivation for not wanting to understand the ‘why’ part of why Jesus prayed to God if they are both the same, but to me, I simply cannot ignore a very blatant self-contradiction in the nature of the situation.
You say Jesus had a “separation” with God and that is why he prayed to God, but this is an assumption which might raise further questions than answers. In fact, it might even be objectionable to Christians.
(OK, I did figure that out after I posted my response...sorry...I did jump the gun)
My point was the producers of South Park, who pride themselves in sparing no one, spared muslims when threatened.
As far as why, it is the WHY I said I understood, the HOW is the issue. I will learn that when I finally have my time. The why is easy, to be both fully human and fully God was the entire point, for both understanding us as well as making the final sacrifice. God would suffer no pain on the cross, yet there it is the Bible, there is one God and Jesus says several times he and the Father are one, that he is the great “I am”. And the Man Jesus suffered and died.
An “elaborate” reply, well if it were simple there would be no room for debate...
Sometimes, yes.
For example, if you asked all brides -- or especially all grooms -- to clarify or even rid themselves of all significant doubts before they marry, who would?
(That's not to say that doubts don't need to be addressed head-on re: either marriage or faith...hence, my "sometimes" response)
One of the doubts here is whom was Jesus praying to, if God and Jesus are one.
OK...again...let me go back to the human dimension:
The word "intercourse" means both normal (verbal) communication as well as sexual communication. During sexual intercourse, a man and woman are "one."
We have here the "what" -- and the "who": The what dimension includes...
...the bodily communication process,
...a depiction of their genetic humanity fit together,
...and their very human oneness.
The who dimension includes TWO people -- TWO personalities -- a man and a woman.
Now, let's apply the SAME dimension breakdown to Jesus praying to His Father:
The what dimension includes...
...the communication process (praying),
...a depiction of their genetic divinity acting in concert together,
...and their very divine oneness.
The who dimension includes TWO divine PERSONS -- TWO personalities -- the Divine Father and the Divine Son.
If God is the Designer-Creator, we would expect some of the above images of Him to be at least a bit reflected in humanity. In the above, we see that.
My challenge then, to you is: If the above can be true for a man and woman acting in concert as intimately one; if Jesus says a man and woman in marriage are NO LONGER TWO -- but one; then how much MORE can the Divine God (the what...the essence...the substance) be Three Persons (the Who) acting in concert as One???
If you are married, James, you and your wife are of the same essence or substance -- humanity -- despite your differences in sex and personality. You are essentially ONE -- Jesus says.
So how is that meaningless and absurd? You don't say, "Well, since my wife and I are of the same essence -- a single humanity -- how could we possibly communicate with each other?"
Because the human part of Him needed to.
That aside, define praying and explain why it's giving you such problems.
MM praying gives many people problems.
At least non of the Morman preachers have never been recorded yelling God Damn America.
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Oh yes they have...
Joey Smith the inventor of mormonism himself did that also...
Did the ‘god’ part of Jesus reside within the human body of his? Did he pray to an external entity or to something within his body?
Does not prayer establish an order - subordination?
“I know a lot of Mormons. As a group they include some of the finest people I have ever met. Ill take a Mormon like Romney over a stupid gang banger wannabee dope smoking cocaine user like Obama any day.”
Let’s think... hmmmmm
Stupid gang banger wannabee dope smoking cocaine user like obama
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Stupid god banger wannabee cultist using prescription drugs to cope with the false gospel RINOmney
You’re right. Not an easy call.
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