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Evangelicals Becoming Catholic, why?
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| May 10, 2011
| Steve Ray
Posted on 05/17/2012 4:18:46 PM PDT by Salvation
Evangelicals Becoming Catholic, why?
by Steve Ray on May 10, 2011
Below is an interesting YouTube video (really audio) of an Evangelical Radio show in which two Evangelicals discuss why so many Evangelical Protestants are leaving to join the Catholic Church.
The host and guest are trying to be honest in the show entitled Why Evangelicals are Returning to Rome. Although towards the end of the video they are making some statements that are historically inaccurate (about Luther and the Popes); nevertheless, their questioning tries to be honest. It is interesting that they are taking note of a large exodus. I am one of those who Crossed the Tiber to Rome.
Furthermore, this was coming from a Protestant network that is decidedly anti-Catholic. They are willing to discuss openly what has been happening for years now (the exodus of Evangelical ordained ministers to Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches). They also mention briefly EWTN, the program Journey Home and the moderator Marcus Grodi, a convert from Evangelical Christianity. It is obvious this is all new to them since they didnt even know how to pronounce Marcus Grodis name.
The moderator Ingrid Slater asked Pastor Bob DeWay; Lets talk about the problem; what do you think is the seed bed (this is sort of a rhetorical question; everybody knows what a mess Evangelicalism is as a whole today doctrinally speaking). What is setting people up for this disenchantment and the willingness to look to Roman Catholicism?
Here are some of the Problems that Bob Deway lists, though they really have no explanation since they are blind to the real problems within Protestantism, which are things that cannot be fixed. If they were fixed they would be Catholics.
(1) The Seeker Movement took the Bible out of churches.
(2) People are not steeped in solid Bible teaching (yeah, but according to whose interpretation?).
(3) Big churches that dont preach the Bible (who decides what should be taught??).
(4) The influx of mystical practices, contemplative prayer, the labyrinths.
(5) Seminaries that are training therapeutic practitioners rather than theologians.
(6) The idea that we have to have to justify our practices and beliefs from Scripture according to what Luther and the other reformers which has now been overlooked.
The moderator then mentioned a book saying, Coming Home by Fr Peter [Eastern Rite] (I am not even going to use the term father). . . He used to head up Campus Crusade here in the Midwest Evidently he is now heading up an organization helping Evangelical ministers come into the Eastern rite Churches. If you want to know why he made his move from Evangelical Protestantism you can listen to the video.
For years youd hear Evangelicals boast of the fact that their churches were filled [with] ex-Catholics. But in too many cases the Evangelical churches are just the exit ramp that eventually leaves them disillusioned and abandoning the faith altogether. Now the tide is changing. Some Evangelicals seem to be oblivious to the fact of this large exodus of Evangelical ministers and lay people.
A year ago, Karl Keating of Catholic Answers Live said he believed there were now more Evangelicals or Fundamentalists leaving Protestantism to become Catholic than the other way around. Even Evangelicals admit that there are notable Protestants becoming Catholics but no notable Catholics becoming Protestants.
I could take exception to several of Pastor Bobs statements and argue decisively against them, but that is not the point of my posting this video.
TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; convert; evangelicals; faith
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To: Natural Law
So you equate those people who violate the most basic tenets of scripture and prove with their actions that they have no love for God with many others who, by their lives, show that they have a relationship with Christ? They may not accept the Catholic Church as their authority but that does not mean that they reject God or don’t trust in Christ alone as Lord and Savior.
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posted on
05/17/2012 8:39:59 PM PDT
by
Scoutdad
To: Persevero
“...there’s a question about whether this canon’’ the relevant church law “was ever intended to be used’’ to bring politicians to heel. He thinks not. “I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon was never intended to be used this way.’’ — from the thread [Archbishop] Wuerl: Why I Won’t Deny Pelosi Communion
Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard says it is “unfair and imprudent” to conclude that Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, shouldn’t receive Communion simply because they’re living together. — from the thread Bishop: None of your business (Hubbard rejects Catholic expert’s criticism of Gov. Cuomo) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2679260/posts
[Archbishop Timothy Dolan] also does not outright deny the sacrament to dissenting Catholic lawmakers, but he is seen as an outspoken defender of church orthodoxy in a style favored by many theological conservatives.
— from the thread US bishops elect NYC archbishop as head in upset (Catholic bloggers blamed) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711746/posts?page=289#289
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posted on
05/17/2012 8:43:45 PM PDT
by
daniel1212
(Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you,+live....)
To: Salvation
Wonder how long they’ll last once they run into the solid wall of higher criticism and evolutionism?
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posted on
05/17/2012 8:45:29 PM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
(Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
To: ansel12
How do you know what is normal for Catholics? Please don’t throw ALL Catholics into one pot. We are not all voters who vote the way you mention.
Pllllllllease!
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posted on
05/17/2012 8:47:12 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: NELSON111
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posted on
05/17/2012 8:49:19 PM PDT
by
daniel1212
(Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you,+live....)
To: Salvation
In the context of Pelosi and Biden, it meant that they share the politics and evidently religious views that are the norm for Catholics, meaning the majority of them.
It was a response to post 74.
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posted on
05/17/2012 9:02:12 PM PDT
by
ansel12
(When immutable definition of Bible marriage of One Man, One Woman, is in jeopardy, call the Mormon.)
To: daniel1212
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posted on
05/17/2012 9:02:21 PM PDT
by
2nd amendment mama
( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
To: Scoutdad
They may not accept the Catholic Church as their authority but that does not mean that they reject God or dont trust in Christ alone as Lord and Savior. I think there are more than a few Catholics on these forums who sincerely believe that only Roman Catholics can be genuine Christians. For them, the idea that anyone who rejects the Pope and the dictates of the magesterium can possibly be one of Christ's is impossible. But we who DO know the Lord Jesus Christ and follow the teachings God has given us plainly in Holy Scripture understand quite well that we do NOT "make it up as we go along" or make ourselves our own pope, but we love the Lord and live in obedience to our Heavenly Father who indwells us through the Holy Spirit. Jesus said we would know who was genuine by their "fruit" and that fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. No matter what label people want to wear, if those attributes are not present in their life, they're fakes.
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posted on
05/17/2012 10:07:12 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
To: Tahoe3002; Melas
Great advice, Tahoe.
“Christ will forgive this transgression as there are many more and many worse that you (and I) have committed.”
And me.
RD
To: Melas
I say this knowing full well and good that since Ive been married to my second wife (and I her second husband) for well over 20 years, that Ill never be asked to set foot in a Catholic church. You would always be welcomed in a Catholic Church. Doesn't mean you can take part in the Sacraments, but you're certainly welcome to attend Mass! If you go, engage the priest in conversation; ask him questions. You never know where it might lead.
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posted on
05/17/2012 10:51:06 PM PDT
by
SuziQ
To: SuziQ
You would always be welcomed in a Catholic Church. Doesn't mean you can take part in the Sacraments, but you're certainly welcome to attend Mass! Obviously, I'm not grasping the concept. When I read the above, I read it as, "You're going to burn in Hell, but you're certainly welcome to attend Mass."
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posted on
05/17/2012 11:27:15 PM PDT
by
Melas
(u)
To: MarkBsnr
I am embarrassed if you already know this...do it.
You can pray a prayer asking Our Lord to come to you in a spiritual communion. Everyone can.
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posted on
05/18/2012 12:00:56 AM PDT
by
stpio
To: daniel1212
Very good. My point is that Paul’s Epistles did not ‘have’ to be massaged, and I never said that.
My point in my prior post is that ‘there is no reason to suppose that they weren’t’ [massaged], since there is evidence of multiple versions of each NT book. I strongly suspectthat there were attempts to reconcile each selected NT book to each other by version selection.
How else can you explain multiple versions of each book; further, how else can you explain the selection of which particular version?
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posted on
05/18/2012 12:09:59 AM PDT
by
MarkBsnr
(I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
To: stpio
You can pray a prayer asking Our Lord to come to you in a spiritual communion. Everyone can. I know...
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posted on
05/18/2012 12:11:25 AM PDT
by
MarkBsnr
(I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
To: daniel1212
God knows what is going to happen. It’s been awhile, in my reading them, for fourteen years the Catholic messages from Heaven and the Protestant point to..are in preparation for one thing...the Remnant is Roman Catholic. The world is close to the Great Tribulation, the end of the 6th Day.
My advise, pray, repent from the heart and confess your
mortal sins. Believe in the Holy Eucharist and any misunderstandings about the faith will fall away.
God has always desired everyone believe the same. He is
going to help (free will is a gift) make it happen with
the “Warning.”
I put one word in CAPS.
~ ~ ~
God Speaks Will You Listen
11/06/07
...Hence lukewarm Catholics will persecute my faithful Catholics. After the warning, there will only be one church. All Protestant denominations will have no reason to exist. For all Protestants will see the truth in my Catholic Church. Those Protestants who in their pride reject my truth, will become apostate and persecute my true Catholics. Many Protestants will enter my church because of the warning. The ungodly will persecute my faithful remnant because the ungodly rejected my mercy. A fierce persecution will rage like a fire in certain parts of your world. Europe, North America, and Latin America will persecute my faithful severely. My son, the largest number of converts will come from the pagan religions. Many Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and tribal peoples will accept my mercy and truth because of the warning. My church will experience a large amount of growth in those areas. I will need my faithful to teach these converts. Many miracles will take place at this time. Bilocation and other miracles assisted by my angels will occur. My faithful may be teaching in different areas of the world. After the warning, there will only be a short time given to mankind to repent. If no repentance is done, I will allow Satan and the antichrist to chastise a sinful generation. At this time, many faithful will be: called home, persecuted, martyred, and taken to my refuges. Only those who are not spiritual babies with my divine life residing in their souls will endure those days and enter my era of peace. My son, at baptism all my children receive sanctifying grace, but many do not
progress beyond spiritual infancy. I will not lose any the Father has given to me. My spiritual babies will come home to be with me to prevent the loss of their souls. A soul who does not partake of my Eucharist REMAINS a spiritual baby. Just as a human baby must eat solid food to grow to adulthood, so spiritually you must receive my graces through the sacraments to mature to spiritual adulthood. The body must be fed to grow. Likewise, the soul must be fed to grow and mature. Satan knows this truth. This is why he has deceived many of my people with false interpretations of my scriptures. Many teach the physical nation of Israel is the fulfillment of my scripture. Many teach the antichrist will resume the Jewish sacrifice in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem to constitute the abomination of desolation. This is a false teaching, not from God, but from human understanding. My son, in the book of Daniel, the persecution by the Jews under Antiochus can be considered a partial fulfillment of the abomination of desolation. But the complete fulfillment has not yet taken place. At my death, the veil in the temple was rent in two and the old sacrificial covenant was replaced by my new covenant. My sacrifice on the cross was the final sacrifice for my peoplesâ sin. I am the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham. I am the seed of Abraham, the son of David, in whom all the nations of the earth are blessed. My nation of Israel is my church, not the modern nation of Israel. My people are now all those who become part of my church through sanctifying grace. The complete fulfillment of the prophecy from Daniel of the abomination of desolation will occur: when the continual sacrifice of the mass is abolished by the false prophet and the anti christ. Acceptance of the protestant doctrine of the mass by an anti pope will be the fulfillment of the prophecy. The temple of God is my Holy Roman Catholic Church. My faithful remnant will be persecuted worldwide...
http://wwwgodspeakswillyoulisten.org/
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posted on
05/18/2012 12:38:05 AM PDT
by
stpio
To: daniel1212
Oh! Danny " data dumper"
I go by my own experiences just so you know.
The Experience I saw on this Easter season made me look in surprise. There were 100 to 150 new converts in the front roped off area. Then they were introduced then the full bible reading mass continued.
Now that was just one service for the day. There are many in a Sunday.
In all of my years of being Catholic going to mass never have I seen so many at an individual church.
Now I have talked to other Catholics. The numbers are up at a large amount of churches.
Just so you know with that "data dump" you like to do.
I will go by my experiences before sitting down and reading second or third hand sources. Of course it's in my humble opinion. But truly amazing in my eyes.
Praise Jesus Christ to you! Freeper Cheers!
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posted on
05/18/2012 2:16:46 AM PDT
by
johngrace
(I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
To: stpio
Hi stpio- This visions Or prophecies are your own? The visions or prophecies line up with what some of the Catholic Saints have predicted. What I find interesting is that the book of Daniel intrepretation with the future abomination in these prophecies.
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posted on
05/18/2012 3:01:14 AM PDT
by
johngrace
(I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
To: daniel1212
True...and SAD isn't it. I've preached those Barna stats. I've SCREAMED those Barna Stats. I've asked from the pulpit how in the WORLD 48% of evangelicals can affirm the Bible as literally true...and 30% (trying to remember an old sermon) NOT affirm a real Satan.
And as bad as we have it, Catholics are WAY worse. But they aren't my concern. That's not my house so there are no pointing fingers here. I'll get my house in order then worry about others. As I explain in my sermons "The Great What?" and "Return to Your First Love," our problem is we've replaced apologetics and theology with programs...nice stage performances...bells and whistles.
And we want to know why we have problems in the church.
To: scbison
Yes! It is all about what Jesus DID at the cross
It is Finished, and not our attempt to 'be holy' (religious). He does His work through us being 'in Him'.
Genesis 2:2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
Hebrews 4:4" For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work."
Hebrews 4:9 "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;"
Hebrews 4:10 "for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His".
To: daniel1212; MarkBsnr
Paul himself was a pushy guy with a chip on his shoulder, and a large inferiority complex a mile wide, Well, God thought he was just perfect for spreading the Good News, The Gospel - He could have picked anyone and He picked Paul. He knew his heart, his undying obedience and unending search for Truth and Gospel first. So much for what 'man thinks'.
When Mark gets shipwrecked, beaten and left for dead and thrown in jail for the Gospel sake - perhaps he has earned the right to speak about an inferiority complex and one being pushy. Until then..
Matt 23:28
"Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness."
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