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To: SumProVita

It’s worse than that.
Russians wanted to kill off Ukrainians. Now the Ukrainians are doing it to themselves. Instead of multiplying, building an army, they are self destructing.

How stupid can one be?

Women are supposed to be the nurturers yet they’re the killers. Truly, women should submit to their husbands because they are too stupid. Oh, wait, these female impersonators do not want to marry.

Yup, you’re right. They left God behind.

Then these women come to America and poison the Ukrainians here. Oh and they vote for obama.

Ukrainian women are stupid.


21 posted on 04/18/2012 6:22:11 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Are these Ukrainian women stupid?

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Be careful of generalizing. ;-)


22 posted on 04/18/2012 6:31:56 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

> Ukrainian women are stupid.

Yes, they are, however.

“Ukraine women are ‘most beautiful women in the world,’” says Vice President Joe Biden, July 22, 2009.


25 posted on 04/18/2012 6:45:24 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Truly, women should submit to their husbands because they are too stupid.

I really hope this is sarcasm. No woman, lib or conservative should submit to their husband. They should be equals.

29 posted on 04/18/2012 7:07:09 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop; SumProVita
"Russians" didn't want to kill off the Ukrainians. Remember that Ukraine is "Little Russia" as compared to Muscowy ("Big Russia") -- Ukraine is the cradle of eastern Slavdom. This was shattered by the Mongol invasion in the 13th century.

Muscowy, which was then just a minor tributary of one of the Kievan Rus cities (Vladimir-Suz.. was the name of the parent city), but it rose to power with its Grand-Duke who moved the capital of Vladimir there and also became the Great Khan's tax-collector.

Over the century they gathered more power and then challenged the Horde and threw them out. Then they assimilated the Khanates of Kazan etc. Arguably the Moscowites took in the culture and mores of the Mongols and their government was Mongol horde based.

At the same time to the West, Poland was rising to power -- and Poland resisted the Germanizing embrace and influence (very powerful considerign that the Germanics were civilization in the west since the 6th century) unlike the Czechs. Poland vigorously defined itself as Slavic and also Western (hence Polish adopted many Latin loan words) and it was (and IS) a raucous democracy (yes, even when they had kings, they were elected -- note: this vibrant democracy was one of the main reasons for Poland's weakness in the 1700s and it's partition in 1770-1795)

These two utterly contrasting forms competed in the middle-land of Ruthenia (what is now Belarus and Western Ukraine). Ruthenia, after the Mongols, was absorbed by the Lithuanian Grand-Duchy, a pagan state. It was Ruthenian (Old Byelorussian) speaking and had Lithuanian overlords. In the 1400s they had a dynastic union between the Duke Jagiellon (Jagiełło in Polish) of Lithuania and the Polish Queen (after Jagiellon was christened of course!) and this led to the creation of the powerful Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth which was the second largest state in Europe until the 1700s. This was the Land of the Four Nations (Poles, Lithuanians, Ruthenians, Jews)

in the 1500s the Grand Dukes of Muscowy positioned themselves as champions of Orthodoxy. At the same time the reformation happened. The Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth was religiously tolerant until the Swedes invaded. The Swedish invasion is called the deluge. At this time the Calvinist Swedes swept across the country, conquering and destroying. At the same time, Muscowy invaded, and a Muscowy posing as champion of hte Orthodox.

The Poles fought back, but the distrust of non-Catholics was set in. The Polish Lords (who were also heavily ethnically mixed - Lithuanians and Belarussians but polonized in language) did not listen enough to their Ruthenian subjects and slowly discontent spread -- coupled with the Turkish invasions of southern Ukraine.

"U Kriana" means border lands and this is what they were -- borderlands and fought over. The internal fighting force was the Cossacks who defined themselves as strongly Orthodox, fighting against the Moslem Turks. But this was turned agains the Poles as well (too much to go into, suffice to say mistake made on BOTH sides)

Muscowy stepped in and drew the ukraine into its embrace.

The Khelminitsky Cossacks initially welcomed this, but in hindsight this was slapping your friend (The commonwealth) and befriending a dangerous bear (Muscowy). Ukraine never had a chance.

This was only exacerbated in the late 1800s with nationalism and forced Russification (NOTE: at the same time there was forced Anglicisation, Germanization, Francification etc., not an isolated phenomenom), Belarussian and Ukrainian nationalism was nipped in the bud.

Then they were the hardest hit by Stalinism.

40 posted on 04/20/2012 1:49:20 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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