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Ukraine abortion ban proposal sparks topless feminist protest at cathedral
Life Site News ^ | April 17, 2012 | Hilary White

Posted on 04/18/2012 5:02:04 AM PDT by NYer

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To: SumProVita

It’s worse than that.
Russians wanted to kill off Ukrainians. Now the Ukrainians are doing it to themselves. Instead of multiplying, building an army, they are self destructing.

How stupid can one be?

Women are supposed to be the nurturers yet they’re the killers. Truly, women should submit to their husbands because they are too stupid. Oh, wait, these female impersonators do not want to marry.

Yup, you’re right. They left God behind.

Then these women come to America and poison the Ukrainians here. Oh and they vote for obama.

Ukrainian women are stupid.


21 posted on 04/18/2012 6:22:11 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Are these Ukrainian women stupid?

http://stamforddio.org/images%202/Antonia-2.gif

Be careful of generalizing. ;-)


22 posted on 04/18/2012 6:31:56 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Pollster1
Actually, the women of Femen are generally quite attractive. Except that their pics do not meet FR standards, there would be no objection to most of their images. Google/Bing "femen protest ukraine" and see if you disagree.

It's as if some leftist front hired models to do these protests. It seems like the same three or four girls are in all the photos from various events. They're not at all like American feminist protestors. Not by a long shot.

23 posted on 04/18/2012 6:38:21 AM PDT by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: SumProVita

What proof do you have that they are Ukrainians?
Just because they wear a uniform does not make them smart.


24 posted on 04/18/2012 6:42:23 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

> Ukrainian women are stupid.

Yes, they are, however.

“Ukraine women are ‘most beautiful women in the world,’” says Vice President Joe Biden, July 22, 2009.


25 posted on 04/18/2012 6:45:24 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: chopperman

If those Russian women are like the apocryphal ‘babushka’, they can supposedly bench press a T-72 turret.

PS Some, allegedly, can do it with the main tube still in.

;-)


26 posted on 04/18/2012 6:47:08 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: SumProVita

Good grief, that photo is in USA not Russia.
Don’t mix apples with oranges.
If they’re so smart, then what are those women doing to stop what is going on in Ukraine? What?

I still stand on my statement that Ukrainian women are stupid.


27 posted on 04/18/2012 6:52:57 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: BuffaloJack

LOL, a distant cousin of mine works as a translator. She has worked with Biden. She thinks he’s great.

I rest my case.

stupid stupid stupid.


28 posted on 04/18/2012 6:57:38 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Truly, women should submit to their husbands because they are too stupid.

I really hope this is sarcasm. No woman, lib or conservative should submit to their husband. They should be equals.

29 posted on 04/18/2012 7:07:09 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I still stand on my statement that Ukrainian women are stupid.

_______________________________

Generalizing is not logical.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/sweeping-generalisation

PS Check the origin of the photo. Yes, they are in the USA...but they are Ukrainian. There are other good and intelligent nuns and other women in the Ukraine.

Would you assume the women in this photo are stupid? http://ucu.edu.ua/eng


30 posted on 04/18/2012 7:11:18 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Out of curiosity, is English your native language?


31 posted on 04/18/2012 7:15:35 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Pollster1

Pretty bodies, yes. But angry is ugly no matter how nice the packaging.


32 posted on 04/18/2012 7:22:53 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus
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To: SumProVita

first of all, it’s “Ukraine”, not “the Ukraine”.

I must have missed it in the article where it says that nuns will be baring their breasts at St Sophia.

The “old time” Ukrainians in the USA are bowing down to the “new” Ukrainians. Open your eyes. Ask them who they voted for. I know professors who voted for obama. They’re professors, they should be smart. Ukrainians have short term memory. They forgot what they have been through.


33 posted on 04/18/2012 7:27:12 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: SumProVita

is there something wrong with my grammar?


34 posted on 04/18/2012 7:29:46 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

35 posted on 04/18/2012 7:33:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

You miss the point: Generalizing is NOT logical.

“first (sic) of all, it’s “Ukraine”, not “the Ukraine”.”

I accept this and thank you for sharing it. However, I wrote it with the definite article as an *exception to the rule* per http://www.infoukes.com/faq/the_ukraine .

With USA...we use the definite article (the USA).

Remember now that generalizing is NOT logical.


36 posted on 04/18/2012 7:46:50 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: cloudmountain
My read is that MOST Ukranians WANT their babies, keep them and are good Christians

Unfortunately, the statistics do not support that contention. Ukraine's birthrate is in the running for lowest-lowest on earth, in the 1.2 range.

This is a list of reports about Ukraine on Human Life International's website. Look at Item 9 in particular; the URL was too long to copy. (I don't know why it didn't hotlink, either.)

http://www.hli.org/index.php/component/search/?searchword=Ukraine&ordering=&searchphrase=all

37 posted on 04/18/2012 10:13:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Day 6 of the 17-Day Diet ... -6.8 lbs. from Day 0. (Please to excuse incoherent posts.)
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To: Tax-chick
I think you are underestimating the Ukraine. It has been a country under pressure since the Mongol invasions destroyed Kievan Rus. From that point on it has been a battleground between Poland and Muscowy.

The country is still a battleground -- all of Eastern Ukraine east of the Dnieper is basically Russian speaking only and the west is more the Ukrainian dialects

There is still hope for the country as I have met a few who are converts to Christianity and fervent believers

38 posted on 04/20/2012 12:28:52 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: cloudmountain; Mrs. Don-o

CM — your hopes are mostly true. The drop in population in the Ukraine is due to immigration largely as Ukraine is very, very poor. These topless protesters get in the news as they are quite pretty and, well, topless...


39 posted on 04/20/2012 12:30:18 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop; SumProVita
"Russians" didn't want to kill off the Ukrainians. Remember that Ukraine is "Little Russia" as compared to Muscowy ("Big Russia") -- Ukraine is the cradle of eastern Slavdom. This was shattered by the Mongol invasion in the 13th century.

Muscowy, which was then just a minor tributary of one of the Kievan Rus cities (Vladimir-Suz.. was the name of the parent city), but it rose to power with its Grand-Duke who moved the capital of Vladimir there and also became the Great Khan's tax-collector.

Over the century they gathered more power and then challenged the Horde and threw them out. Then they assimilated the Khanates of Kazan etc. Arguably the Moscowites took in the culture and mores of the Mongols and their government was Mongol horde based.

At the same time to the West, Poland was rising to power -- and Poland resisted the Germanizing embrace and influence (very powerful considerign that the Germanics were civilization in the west since the 6th century) unlike the Czechs. Poland vigorously defined itself as Slavic and also Western (hence Polish adopted many Latin loan words) and it was (and IS) a raucous democracy (yes, even when they had kings, they were elected -- note: this vibrant democracy was one of the main reasons for Poland's weakness in the 1700s and it's partition in 1770-1795)

These two utterly contrasting forms competed in the middle-land of Ruthenia (what is now Belarus and Western Ukraine). Ruthenia, after the Mongols, was absorbed by the Lithuanian Grand-Duchy, a pagan state. It was Ruthenian (Old Byelorussian) speaking and had Lithuanian overlords. In the 1400s they had a dynastic union between the Duke Jagiellon (Jagiełło in Polish) of Lithuania and the Polish Queen (after Jagiellon was christened of course!) and this led to the creation of the powerful Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth which was the second largest state in Europe until the 1700s. This was the Land of the Four Nations (Poles, Lithuanians, Ruthenians, Jews)

in the 1500s the Grand Dukes of Muscowy positioned themselves as champions of Orthodoxy. At the same time the reformation happened. The Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth was religiously tolerant until the Swedes invaded. The Swedish invasion is called the deluge. At this time the Calvinist Swedes swept across the country, conquering and destroying. At the same time, Muscowy invaded, and a Muscowy posing as champion of hte Orthodox.

The Poles fought back, but the distrust of non-Catholics was set in. The Polish Lords (who were also heavily ethnically mixed - Lithuanians and Belarussians but polonized in language) did not listen enough to their Ruthenian subjects and slowly discontent spread -- coupled with the Turkish invasions of southern Ukraine.

"U Kriana" means border lands and this is what they were -- borderlands and fought over. The internal fighting force was the Cossacks who defined themselves as strongly Orthodox, fighting against the Moslem Turks. But this was turned agains the Poles as well (too much to go into, suffice to say mistake made on BOTH sides)

Muscowy stepped in and drew the ukraine into its embrace.

The Khelminitsky Cossacks initially welcomed this, but in hindsight this was slapping your friend (The commonwealth) and befriending a dangerous bear (Muscowy). Ukraine never had a chance.

This was only exacerbated in the late 1800s with nationalism and forced Russification (NOTE: at the same time there was forced Anglicisation, Germanization, Francification etc., not an isolated phenomenom), Belarussian and Ukrainian nationalism was nipped in the bud.

Then they were the hardest hit by Stalinism.

40 posted on 04/20/2012 1:49:20 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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