Posted on 03/26/2012 1:38:33 PM PDT by NYer
Edit: A definition from Wikipedia is useful here: Blasphemy is irreverence towards religious or holy persons or things.[1] Some countries have laws to punish blasphemy,[2] while others have laws to give recourse to those who are offended by blasphemy.
[Fell's Point, Baltimore, MD] There was a show called "Cheers" on television years ago. It was bawdy and vulgar yet there were some borders it was not safe to pass in the early 80s when the show first aired. It depicted a homey place, reminiscent of an unpretentious neighborhood bar with a hint of old world ambiance and Boston charm. The heavy wooden furniture and the bar spoke of permanence, elegance, and that favorite piety of secular artists, human dignity. It was not always clear who the show's buffoons were, but you knew them when you saw them, and sometimes, it was a comedic mailman who could be the most noble in the simplicity of his fears. Some other writer said something about irony being lost on a society which had no shame. That's why we'd like to wield a metaphorical hammer. Perhaps there are others who can put a better finish on the details of what we will tell.
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| Satirical painting: priest displeased with Nun? |
All we can say is that sometimes evil is really mundane and some of us don't realize that we're not only bufoons needlessly offending people's religious sensibilities, but far worse than that, we're offending God. Even the name of the bar, a pun on the Blessed Mother's name seems calculated to be offensive.
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| Would you like some candy? |
We're not talking about this place, but it's not far from Boston, but it boasts a similar unmistakable charm you'd expect in New England with friendly folks.
One of the features of the bar, and there are many, is its unmistakable Catholic ambiance. It's called, Ale Mary's and is located in Fell's point Maryland. One can just smell the faint aroma of the ocean as you think about it. The food is inexpensive, but if you're Catholic you might find it too expensive for the peace of your conscience to see the sacramental elements of your religion appear for the sake of decoration in peculiarly deliberate ways.
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| Chalices Used for Holy Sacrifice Being Abused by Patrons |
It's not surprising, but it's not acceptable either that chalices which are used in Catholic Mass for the consecration of wine which becomes the blood of Christ, are used by patrons to drink (and get drunk from). They're made of precious metals, sometimes jewels, but their use in such a secular setting is strange and unsettling. No less than the inexplicable painting of a priest with a stole, looking aghast or in surprise at a nun who has her back to him.
The most disturbing thing in the restaurant is the monstrance which is behind the bar used as decoration. The monstrance is large ornate disk, often resembling the sun, which is surmounted in a long stand with a heavy base. It contains a crystal compartment at the center of the disk where a consecrated communion Host can be placed inside and it allows the priest to elevate the entire object by the stand for the veneration of the Sacrament it contains. Seeing this monstrance here in this bar, covered with mardigras beads and a mustached smiley face where the Host would normally be is a little bit like finding family heirlooms in the hands of people who not only use them for purposes for which they were never intended, but use them in disrespectful ways.
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| Mustached Smiley Face Seems Particularly Malevolent |
We found out about this recently and the individual who sent this to us wrote an e-mail complaining about the display of these religious items and even offered to purchase them. Far from being treated with the respect she deserved, her concerns were met with derision.
Despite the bar owner claiming that no one cared about this clearly blasphemous display of religious artifacts, he asked her to remove an entry she made under the bar at a public site allowing comment on establishments.
As he berated our friend, the proprietor insisted as an argument to justify his sacrilege and disrespect for Catholic sacramentals, that there were even Bishops and priests who thought that his blasphemous inclusion of religious articles was comical and that there was nothing wrong with this display.
Apparently, there's some truth to what he says, because Catholic clergy, including senior, does frequent this place.
We'll be praying a Rosary in reparation for having seen this blasphemy. Hopefully, the proprietor can be persuaded to part with these items before word of this affects his business either spiritually or financially.
Give them a call:
Corner of Fleet & Washington Sts.
Fell's Point
Baltimore, MD.
21231
410-276-2044
Well you can be whatever you want. But in the New Testament God makes it clear that he does not change. He is the same God in the Old and New Testament. So in all actuality there is no such thing as a New Testament Christian, because to reject part of God’s Word is the same as rejecting Jesus Himself, because he is the Word. And that my friend, you can find in the New Testament.
Catholics do believe idolatry is a sin, and you are continuing to show your ignorance of Catholic Christians and Sacred Scripture.
You wrote:
“wrong...clearly a chalice can be used for other things...as proven by this bar.”
Wrong. It is not being properly used according to why it was made.
“Same thing with the candy dispenser. Is it tasteless—to many yes.”
It is not about taste. It is about dedication. Once dedicated to God in its purpose a chalice cannot be used properly otherwise.
“Will it cause all catholics to go to hell and lose their religion? Nope.”
No, but your analogy was wrong nonetheless. When you can explain why it is the “Holy Bible” but “Holy Bible” is not mentioned anywhere in scripture let me know.
Well since you are a New Testament Christian, I wouldn’t think you are knowledgeable enough to comment on the 10 Commandments.
If they’re there by YHWH’s command, they’re not idols, but nothing in the ‘catholic’ church has anything to do with His commandments. Its a cesspool of idolatry.
>> “Doesn’t the bible say something about idol worship? Cups are cups and only have meaning if you make them into something more than they are.” <<
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Catholics don’t buy that Bible stuff; they’re into traditions of men, not cammandments of YHWH.
>> “Then the Ark of the Covenant is an idol by your logic.” <<
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No, the ark was built under commandment of YHWH; those trinkets are just corruptions of worship invented by men. The cup has no importance; the wine in it commemorates the shed blood of Christ.
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Words are to be worshiped now?
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>> “What did I not say in my post to indicate that they are sacred vessels?” <<
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Vessels cannot be sacred; they are mere implements. To consider the implements of the Lord’s Supper as sacred puts them on a level equal to your salvation, which cannot be so; your salvation is by the grace of YHWH, not man.
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[Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
[Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. - Matthew 23:16-22
>> “Christians who believe the chalice is some form of super powerful cup should be allowed to drink from them?” <<
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To take such a drink under such belief is pagan idolatry.
Not sure what the debate about Holy Bible is about. Are they using the word Holy incorrectly too at this bar?
Some reason I find it hard to believe you are actually following all the rules of the old testament. What do you do for the year of jubilee?
You wrote:
“To take such a drink under such belief is pagan idolatry.”
And I see no evidence of anyone doing that.
So educate me, how is it that protestants and catholics don’t use the same 10 commandments? Which one is missing and from which side?
Then they are not following church guidelines for sacred fessels.
Who is selling them?
Then they are not following church guidelines for sacred vessels.
Who is selling them?
Those are not idols. These are sacred vessels. They are not worshipped as an idol would be.
Please don’t try to put words in my mouth by using the word “you.”
How would you know what I think?
Sorry for suggesting you should be concerned with their souls.
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