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To: CynicalBear
Two questions. Why didn’t people like Joni get healed when they went with faith that they would? Why are not all Christians without illness or disabilities?

Why aren't all people automatically saved? Why do Christians continue to sin? You are seeking perfection in men that far too often are not walking by complete obedience and faith in Jesus. Even in Christian churches, I hear sermons that discourage faith. But that does not mean that healing was not provided by the sacrifice of Jesus. It was a complete sacrifice that provides for every need. And every promise is received by faith.

All the Children of Israel were given the Promised Land, but only 2 received that Promise. When you really see that startling truth, its a wake up call. What hindered their entrance - unbelief, fear, among other negative words. The two that entered, Joshua and Caleb, were the ones that believed God. Caleb was 85 and healthy enough to drive out giants when he finally received the Promise. (Joshua 14) We see a pattern in the OT, faith brings victory or God's Blessing, and sin (all types including unbelief and fear) opens the door to calamity, or the curse. NT Believers have been redeemed from the curse. This is a promise received by faith.

You are asking me to play God and look into someone's heart. Is there strife, unforgiveness, bitterness or some other hindrance? Are they ready to be with Jesus and giving up on life? Have they authorized satan to attack their lives like Job did? No human can answer that question for another. But we can study God's Word and let the Holy Spirit guide us into Truth, at the very least for ourselves.

Its a dangerous road, and a deception of the enemy, to base your faith, or what God may or might not do, on what has happened to Brother Earl or Sister Wanda. We don't know the full story. We only see and hear what they want us to see and hear. We don't know them 24/7/365. We don't hear them when they are alone. We don't see what is in their heart. PLEASE NOTE: This does not mean that Brother Earl who suffered for 45 years was a sinner. Please don't make that ridiculous assumption. Leave that to God. He is the only one worthy to judge someone's heart. We need to stay with the Word constantly to keep our faith strong and pay attention to the Holy Spirit's guidance so we can receive our Promised Land.

Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life. Proverbs 4:23 NIV

63 posted on 03/18/2012 11:39:26 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Kandy Atz; CynicalBear

Why don’t you just answer the questions instead of dancing around them?

We aren’t interested in your long rambling blame shifting accusations of other believers.

Salvation when we call out on God is the ONLY thing that is guaranteed by God.

And yes, healing is provided for in the atonement by His stripes - the method by which the healing comes and nobody ever said otherwise, so you can stop accusing people of saying something they didn’t, but healing is not a guarantee IN THIS LIFE. It’s merely an sidestream benefit if it glorifies God to do so.


64 posted on 03/18/2012 12:11:47 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Kandy Atz; CynicalBear
Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

Hebrews 11:32-40 32 And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets— 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.

35 Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life. 36 Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated— 38 of whom the world was not worthy— wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

I guess those who were martyred just didn't have enough faith, did they? What does the name it and claim it group do with that?

We are so spoiled in this country that we have NO IDEA what persecution really is. While so many charismatics are whining about the state of their bodies, and their manifestations of signs and wonders, people are DYING for their faith in Christ. What do you do with those whom God allows to be martyred if sickness throws you for such a loop? What? Is God a child abuser as you've accused us in the past of believing?

Our God does what is best for us in love. He does not perform for me what I think is best for me because I demand it like a petulant two year old.

65 posted on 03/18/2012 12:20:56 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Kandy Atz; metmom
Nice kabuki dance. There is so much you don’t take into account. Your simplistic view strikes me as someone who is very young either in chronological age or spiritually. Let me give you an example.

A few days ago you asked this series of questions.

>>Before looking at scriptures, consider an earthly parent. Would ANY earthly parent give their child cancer or throw them in front of a bus to teach them patience? Would any earthly parent sit by and watch their child suffer if they had the means to stop the pain just so they could endure some perverted form of discipline?<<

Now, what you didn’t include in that scenario was the question “compared to what”. I don’t know if you are a parent or not but as a parent of three grown children I can assure you that there are contingencies to your questions. What would be the end result if the parent didn’t “allow the child to get cancer” or “throw them in front of the bus”? Would they have gone on to become so depraved that their future would be hell as opposed to heaven if they had been kept from what they would have done were they to remain healthy? Perhaps by allowing a minor injury the parent helps the child to avoid more devastating injury in the future. Most parents have allowed the child to touch a hot surface to be taught to not get burned more seriously in the future. You forgot to include in your thought process the fact that God may allow illness or accident knowing that if that didn’t happen something much more serious would have happened in the future. Perhaps if He did heal all illness people would become so self centered they would reject salvation.

You said it was accusing God “child abuse” if someone suggested He allowed children to get ill. It’s time you trust that God may indeed allow illness or injury to keep that “child” from an eternity in hell.

Which would you do? Allow injury or illness knowing that if you didn’t the “child” would end up in hell? Or would you allow what you called “child abuse” to keep that “child” from hell?

67 posted on 03/18/2012 2:54:01 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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