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To: Kandy Atz; metmom
Nice kabuki dance. There is so much you don’t take into account. Your simplistic view strikes me as someone who is very young either in chronological age or spiritually. Let me give you an example.

A few days ago you asked this series of questions.

>>Before looking at scriptures, consider an earthly parent. Would ANY earthly parent give their child cancer or throw them in front of a bus to teach them patience? Would any earthly parent sit by and watch their child suffer if they had the means to stop the pain just so they could endure some perverted form of discipline?<<

Now, what you didn’t include in that scenario was the question “compared to what”. I don’t know if you are a parent or not but as a parent of three grown children I can assure you that there are contingencies to your questions. What would be the end result if the parent didn’t “allow the child to get cancer” or “throw them in front of the bus”? Would they have gone on to become so depraved that their future would be hell as opposed to heaven if they had been kept from what they would have done were they to remain healthy? Perhaps by allowing a minor injury the parent helps the child to avoid more devastating injury in the future. Most parents have allowed the child to touch a hot surface to be taught to not get burned more seriously in the future. You forgot to include in your thought process the fact that God may allow illness or accident knowing that if that didn’t happen something much more serious would have happened in the future. Perhaps if He did heal all illness people would become so self centered they would reject salvation.

You said it was accusing God “child abuse” if someone suggested He allowed children to get ill. It’s time you trust that God may indeed allow illness or injury to keep that “child” from an eternity in hell.

Which would you do? Allow injury or illness knowing that if you didn’t the “child” would end up in hell? Or would you allow what you called “child abuse” to keep that “child” from hell?

67 posted on 03/18/2012 2:54:01 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; Kandy Atz; boatbums; caww; smvoice; reaganaut
KA:>>Before looking at scriptures, consider an earthly parent. Would ANY earthly parent give their child cancer or throw them in front of a bus to teach them patience? Would any earthly parent sit by and watch their child suffer if they had the means to stop the pain just so they could endure some perverted form of discipline?<<

And still no response to the question of whether the allegation of child abuse can be made toward God in regard to Him allowing His followers to be martyred.

What does someone who thinks that God allowing illness in a person's life do with those verses in Hebrews?

Hebrews 11:35-40 35 Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life. 36 Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated— 38 of whom the world was not worthy— wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.

What about the stoning of Stephen? What about the persecution of the early church in the book of Acts? What about Paul's trials and afflictions?

2 Corinthians 11:21-28 But whatever anyone else dares to boast of—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast of that. 22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they offspring of Abraham? So am I.

23 Are they servants of Christ? I am a better one—I am talking like a madman—with far greater labors, far more imprisonments, with countless beatings, and often near death. 24 Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea; 26 on frequent journeys, in danger from rivers, danger from robbers, danger from my own people, danger from Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brothers; 27 in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure. 28 And, apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxiety for all the churches.

By this twisted reasoning that illness is child abuse, what do those holding it do with what God allows some of His most faithful followers to endure?

And even if you can convince someone that it's not God's will for any to be sick, you STILL have yet to provide an answer for WHY people are not healed, and we have noticed that.

You aren't throwing dust in our eyes with your verbose responses.

68 posted on 03/18/2012 4:12:00 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear; Kandy Atz; boatbums; caww; smvoice; reaganaut
Nice kabuki dance. There is so much you don’t take into account. Your simplistic view strikes me as someone who is very young either in chronological age or spiritually.

It also strikes me as someone who has never had the joy and delight of having God work in their lives through afflictions, illness included, and does not realize privilege that knowing, and I mean, really realizing, having it become reality to you, God as provider and sustainer.

That person will never have the privilege of being able to say, I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me, when I am weak, then I am strong, His strength is made perfect in my weakness, never had the privilege of being able to minster to someone else going through trials and being able to come alongside them and comfort them with the comfort we have received from God and to bring encouragement and hope to them.

If I had not been afflicted with this food intolerance, I would not have reached the end of myself and pursued God so diligently and finally realized the filling of His Holy Spirit. What He has done in me in the inner being is worth every minute of physical affliction that got me there.

Pity the person whose life is so shallow that they never get to know God like that.

69 posted on 03/18/2012 4:21:16 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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