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To: Colofornian
Of course we believe in a life hereafter!

So, that makes us a cult in your eyes? Mote - log!

19 posted on 03/16/2012 6:11:20 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Redleg Duke

Read up on your life hereafter and come back with your list of differences between your Mormon heaven and Christian Heaven.


22 posted on 03/16/2012 6:26:03 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: Redleg Duke
It is not belief that defines a cult in a pernicious sense.

It is coercion (particularly at points of entry and egress) and psychological control (i.e. brainwashing).

24 posted on 03/16/2012 6:27:44 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Redleg Duke

Yeah, Mormons take Paul out of context and claim there are 3 (well really 5) ‘hereafters’.

No, the LDS theology and control of its members make it a cult.


62 posted on 03/16/2012 9:17:15 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Redleg Duke

Sorry, I thought you were LDS. NVM.


63 posted on 03/16/2012 9:18:08 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Redleg Duke
So, that makes us a cult in your eyes?

NO; THIS does...




KJV
Galatians 1:6-9
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 
ANYBODY???
Like this fine looking fellow???
 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15
12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 

Like THESE guys??
 
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
 


Ephesians 2:1-2
1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

72 posted on 03/16/2012 9:54:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Redleg Duke; SkyDancer
Of course we believe in a life hereafter! So, that makes us a cult in your eyes? Mote - log!

Apparently, you didn't read my qualifier in posts #2 & #3: I said: Its doctrine need not be conventional—but it SHOULD BE KNOWABLE TO OUTSIDERS. Absent those qualities, an unorthodox religion can descend into something darker.

Let's apply this descent "into something darker" that the Mormon church has done with the example you give -- the life hereafter!

Mormons do this in numerous ways. I'll outline four ways...the "4th way" will be the next post:
(a) They claim that the only ones who get to be reconciled forever with Heavenly Father are married temple Mormons. Not even just "any" Mormon -- but only those with temple recommends & only those who are married. The worse thing about this is that Mormons say there are two other "spheres of heaven" -- but nobody in them is reconciled to live with Heavenly Father forever. What kind of a "heaven" have the Mormons created which has no Heavenly Father in it for most people???

(b) Nobody is "split up" for a while post-death...everybody goes to the same "spirit world"...Hitler...bin Laden...wind up in the same spirit world as everybody else...See from official Lds church magazine, Liahona, an explanation: The Spirit World, Our Next Home(The OTHER World Series: Mormon beliefs beyond this world)...And since Mormons have "baptized by proxy" both Hitler and Anne Frank, they both get the "opportunity" to accept the Mormon "gospel" and move in together in the lowest of three "degrees" of "salvation"

(c) Mormons claim that temple Mormons can become grown-up "gods" -- thereby creating competing gods to their own...so much for Mormons advocating that God receive ALL worship, adoration, prayer, etc.

93 posted on 03/16/2012 10:47:57 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Redleg Duke; SkyDancer
And a 4th way Mormons make the afterlife "darker":

(d) According to other sources, one of things that happens in the Mormon temple is that "...all parts of the body are washed and anointed with oil by the temple worker. Initiates are told that it will clean them from the blood and sins of this generation."

(Hmm...I could have sworn that the real Biblical Gospel claims that the blood of Christ takes care of those...but leave it to Mormon leaders to trump the blood of Christ with water -- just like they do in their Weekly Sacrament, replacing fruit of the vine with water).

Even to get into the Mormon temple, “The ‘temple recommend’ is a cherished slip of PAPER that gives its holder the right to enter the LDS temple and participate in its ceremonies.

Therefore, a piece of PAPER signed off by a Mormon lay bishop -- a position held at one time by Mitt Romney -- can determine if...
...a man gets to be sealed with his family forever in heaven...
...a person will be living with Heavenly Father forever -- or not...
...you can see your son or daughter get married (or other relatives and friends, for that matter)
...you'll become a "god" or not...

Reflective Questions:
* Could you imagine Mitt Romney having that kind of power over you were you in Mitt's ward back when he was a lay bishop?
* Or knowing that Mitt himself believed he once held that kind of power?
* Now do you see why the author called this a "Mormon conspiracy"? (It takes quite a plot to have a piece of PAPER carry that much weight in a person's life)
* Now do you see why Lds lay bishops carry so much fearful power in the Mormon church? (A bishop says "jump" -- and the Mormon asks, "How high?")

You see mere pieces of PAPER carry tremendous weight in the Mormon church.

Q1: How do Mormons determine their next head "prophet"?

A: Among those eligible, a piece of PAPER printed long ago does. It's called a calendar. The age of the Mormon general authority among the candidates is what dictates to the Mormon god who gets the nod.

Lds may talk about how they "sustain" who the "prophet" is by a show of hands...but coincidentally, no "no" votes seems to have ever been tallied. Even the Mormon holy ghost can't override the the power of calendar PAPER re: the selection process.

Q2: In the Mormon plan of salvation, what power do pieces of PAPER carry beyond temple recommended Mormons?

A: Others (non-Mormons) can get a "get-out-spirit prison" monopoly card because some keen Mormon researchers found some old pieces of PAPER -- birth and death records...which in turn can trigger a proxy baptism in that Mormon temple...which supposedly triggers deceased Mormon spirit missionaries to go visit the Spirit World where ALL go after they die [If you don't believe this part of what I'm saying, go to this Mormon published source here: The Spirit World, Our Next Home

Q3: How does the power Mormon leaders assign to mere pieces of PAPER compare to how Jesus treated the all holy Bible -- which consists, of course of pieces of PAPER?

A: Even Jesus set the holiest pieces of PAPER in proper perspective when He said: 39(You) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME. (John 5:39)

IOW, even many people attending a Christian church abort the process. They search the Scriptures, thinking "in them" that they "have eternal life"....Yet Jesus said even the PAPERED Scriptures' purpose was to testify to HIM!!! (A testimony to a living relationship with the LIVING WORD, Jesus Christ). Jesus CANNOT be reduced to mere words about Him on pages. The LIVING WORD is to be encountered!

94 posted on 03/16/2012 10:49:41 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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