Oh we DO not!
There is just ONE god!!!
--MormonDude(Who just happens to have TWO bodies.)
Posted on 02/15/2012 5:09:18 AM PST by Colofornian
Pat Waldron asserts that Mormons are Christians and offers these reasons: First, Mormons call themselves "The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints." Second, Mormon temples contain pictures of Jesus. Third, the Mormon choir will "bring tears to your eyes, if you are a Christian." And, fourth, Mormons are nice people. But these "reasons" are hardly convincing because they deal only with superficial appearances.
A more robust analysis reveals that Mormons reject absolutely essential Biblical beliefs that Christians have held for centuries. First, Mormons reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Christians believe that there is one God and only one God, and that he exists eternally as three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who are each equally and fully God.
Second, related to the first, Mormons reject the Christian belief that Jesus is uncreated and eternal. In contrast, Mormons assert that Jesus is a created being. The official Mormon website states that Jesus "was the first spirit to be created."
Third, Mormons reject the Christian belief that there is only one god. In contrast, the official Mormon website states "Mormons do teach there are three Gods." Mormons believe in three gods. Christians are monotheists.
In summary, Mormons reject three essential Christian doctrines firmly held by Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox Christians. We would do well to follow the words of Jesus when he said, "Stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment."
Heber C. Kimball - "You have heard us talk about it a great deal, and probably many do not believe one word we say, but his people will never, no never, prosper to a high degree until we make a public example of — what? Men who have be warned and forewarned ... we will take them and slay them before this people." Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p.173 (1857)
Brigham Young - "There are sins that men commit for which they cannot receive forgiveness in this world, or in that which is to come, and if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to have their blood spilt upon the ground ... I know, when you hear my brethren telling about cutting people off from the earth, that you consider it is strong doctrine; but it is to save them not destroy them. ... I know that there are transgressors, who, if they knew themselves, and the only condition upon which they can obtain forgiveness, would beg of their brethren to shed their blood" Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 53 (1856)
Jedediah M. Grant - "if they are covenant breakers we need a place designated, where we can shed their blood." Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 50 (1856)
That’s a bit more along the lines of why I read this post to begin with. What are going to be the “mormon” attacks against mittens should he win the nomination. But again, for each of those quotes it’s easy to find some truly nasty stuff in the bible to counter with.
Now I’m off to play golf. Since I couldn’t find a good golf prayer about giving me long straight balls of thunder... I leave you all with the holy hand grenade classic. From the book of armament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk
All those verses show is that some people believed there were other gods. Deuteronomy 32:17, which you quoted, shows that the “gods” that some people believed in were actually just demons and not true gods at all.God prohibited people from believing in false gods. The verses you quoted don't substantiate your position at all, while the verses I quoted easily refute your blasphemy.
The ultimate source is God, who provided revelation in a variety of ways. The stone tablets was one form of revelation while speaking through prophets was another. Your statements make the stone tablets out to be “gods”, which isn't surprising considered your blasphemous beliefs.
I took a look at your home page, sometimes it’s a good thing to see where people are coming from (sure you looked at mine).
Did you build that light aircraft? It is sweet.
See you flew F-16s, when I was drafting I helped work on the radar system. The company was very excited about the craft.
Very nice machine.
Of COURSE they do!!!
I'd be REALLY afraid; if I were an SLC Mormon !!!
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
*The following is a letter from Elder Lance B. Wickman, General Counsel of the Church to publishers of major newspapers, TV stations and magazines. It was sent out on Tuesday, June 24, 2008.
Recent events have focused the media spotlight on a polygamous sect near San Angelo, Texas, calling itself the “Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” As you probably know, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has absolutely no affiliation with this polygamous sect. Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated, and then started their own religion. To the best of our knowledge, no one at the Texas compound has ever been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Unfortunately, however, some of the media coverage of the recent events in Texas has caused members of the public to confuse the doctrines and members of that group and our church. We have received numerous inquiries from confused members of the public who, by listening to less than careful media reports, have come to a grave misunderstanding about our respective doctrines and faith. Based on these media reports many have erroneously concluded that there is some affiliation between the two – or even worse, that they are one and the same.
Over the years, in a careful effort to distinguish itself, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has gone to significant lengths to protect its rights in the name of the church and related matters. Specifically, we have obtained registrations for the name “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” “Mormon,” “Book of Mormon” and related trade and service marks from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and corresponding agencies in a significant number of foreign countries.
We are confident that you are committed to avoiding misleading statements that cause unwarranted confusion and that may disparage or infringe the intellectual property rights discussed above. Accordingly, we respectfully request the following:
Stated simply, we would like to be known and recognized for whom we are and what we believe, and not be inaccurately associated with beliefs and practices that we condemn in the strongest terms. We would be grateful if you could circulate or copy this letter to your editorial staff and to your legal counsel.
We thank you for your consideration of these important matters.
Sincerely,
Lance B. Wickman
General Counsel
Proving WHAT?
Oh we DO not!
There is just ONE god!!!
--MormonDude(Who just happens to have TWO bodies.)
 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.' |
Come on guys!
We solved that angels-on-a-pinhead thingy long ago!
Like what? What nasty stuff did Jesus have to say?
Now I’m off to play golf.
Oh, so I take it you don't really know and just pulling things from your bottom?
If Mormonism is suppose to be the "another gospel of Jesus Christ" then why does your church founder's teachings conflict with that of Jesus?
When Brigham Young said,"Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood?" or Brigham Young - If you find your brother in bed with your wife, and you put a javelin through them both, you would be justified and they would atoned for their sins and be received into the kingdom of God. ... "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it;" Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247 (1856)
How does that compare to the teachings of Christ?
John 8
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
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The bible is full of references to other gods. God’s own handwriting references other gods. Attack Mormonds all you want, but at least use a better premise???(Post #15)
Listen, I can understand that some distinctions in the Bible are easily lost upon those who don't study it very carefully.
I encourage you to look at just two New Testament verses which are meant to distinguish usage of the term "god" -- so that you don't lump that word into only a single usage:
8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. (Apostle Paul, Letter to Galatians, 4:8)
Key realization here: Some "gods" highlighted in the bible are not "gods" by nature.
Here -- this is another passage that clarifies this:
Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. (Letter to the Phillippians 3:19)
C'mon, Dave...you don't really think that the apostle Paul (& other biblical writers...and God, Himself) thought that a stomach is a literal, by-nature "god" do you?
Key realization here: A god, Dave, is anything worshiped (& often appeased sacrificially). $ can be a god. An appetite can be a god. Popularity can be a god. Ambition can be a god. A career can be a god. Substances (as in substances abused) can be gods. The devil (devil worship) can be a god. Nature worship (some cultures animate nature as imbedded with spirits to be appeased) is a good example. Old Testament times especially depicted all types of idols treated as "gods." I can go on and on.
For you to conclude that we -- or the bible -- defines ANY of these things as literal, by-nature gods conveys some basic lack-of-Biblical discernment skills. (And that's "OK" to some degree...I mean, hey, we're all not-up-to-snuff on some subject matter...the difference is that when I'm ignorant on a given topic, I try not to export to others)
“I took a look at your home page, sometimes it’s a good thing to see where people are coming from (sure you looked at mine).”
I did look at yours, hours ago. I liked it and I like you. I’m just stirring the puddin.
The Radar on the F-16 was awesome. Even way back when I flew it. I flew the ADF-16 which had constant wave capability for the AIM-7. Very rare. We loved it when we would go fight F-15’s and they’d say we could be full up F-16’s for the fight. They were mighty surprised when we would start lobbing AIM-7’s at them... heh heh heh...
I asked if yo build the light craft, I see that you did. What a fun thing to do.
Take care.
“But again, for each of those quotes it’s easy to find some truly nasty stuff in the bible to counter with.
Like what? What nasty stuff did Jesus have to say?”
I didn’t say Jesus. I said the Bible. Do your own research.
“Now I’m off to play golf.
Oh, so I take it you don’t really know and just pulling things from your bottom?”
How in the world does playing golf mean I don’t know anything?
I didn’t say there were other gods, god did. Argue with him.
I didn't imply that it proved anything.
It seems that they dislike Romney because they think he is a Christian and a republican. He is neither
So true; but until HE realizes it; his soul is in jeopardy.
It’s good that all this publicity is coming to mormonism because of Romney, it’s a welcome ray of sunshine on a dismal cult.
On the other hand though, many people, already dismissive of Christianity or worse, down right antagonistic are perfectly willing to see Mitt as one of those nutty “Christians” and typical of the lot, no nuttier than any of the rest.
That in a nut shell is probably the number one thing that disgusts me about mormonism. That they now want to identify as Christians, thereby casting real Christians in a bad light.
Well, maybe not number one but right up near the top. Number one would be that they are leading gullible people all over the world straight to the pits of hell and those people willingly go there singing, “Praise To The Man”.
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