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>>perhaps others had been before her<<

You build your faith on perhaps?

>>Some people think Catholics believe Mary "ascended" into heaven.<<

Yeah, change the subject. No one ever said assumption unless they were using the wrong word. Either way it’s a myth.

>>The Church has never formally defined whether she died or not<<

That’s not what the question is. Stop trying to deflect.

>>people from the Old Testament era waited until Christ’s resurrection<<

Mary wasn’t part of the group. She was still alive when Christ arose so would be included in the New Testament saints.

>>There is also what might be called the negative historical proof for Mary’s Assumption.<<

Catholics do like their myths built on “it doesn’t say it didn’t happen” don’t they.

>>It is agreed upon that Mary ended her life in Jerusalem, or perhaps in Ephesus.<<

Prove it. perhaps? Again you’re building you faith and eternal future on perhaps?

>>but we have no record of her bodily remains being venerated anywhere.<<

Take a hint. She wasn’t supposed to be venerated or the apostles would have written about it. As I said earlier, the entire myth of Mariology is just that. Myth. Not sanctioned by scripture.

Take a hint. She wasn’t supposed to be venerated or the apostles would have written about it. As I said earlier, the entire myth of Mariology is just that. Myth. Not sanctioned by scripture.

Are you saying that if it isn't in the Bible, it didn't happen?

(In other words, if there is no mention in the Bible of the original Apostles dying, to you that means they didn't die, or that they were not shown great honor when they died, simply because it wasn't recorded in the Bible? If you do not know the exact circumstances of their deaths, do you then automatically assume those deaths could not possibly have happened? Or would you have to say, "perhaps they died here, at such-and-such date, or perhaps they died there, at this other date -- we don't know for sure"?) Do you really think it would have been unlikely that the other Christians showed them all great honor at their deaths, even if that wasn't recorded in the Holy Scriptures?

By the way, you do understand that "venerate" simply means (by definition) to show great respect, honor, and love towards a person, don't you? (It does NOT mean worship.)

Jesus told the rich guy (recorded in Mark 10) that one of the things he should do to obtain eternal life was to obey the commandments, and he pointed out several specific ones, including the commandment to honor one's father and mother. Do you think Jesus honored his own mother? Do you think Jesus would want everyone else to honor his mother Mary as well? Do you think the original Apostles honored the mother of Jesus?

While (to my knowledge) no one has ever stated that a person must honor Mary in order to gain salvation, it would also appear to me to be a very unwise thing to in some way dis-honor the mother of Jesus, who is God.

(In fact, you should never dishonor anyone's mother.)