Posted on 01/27/2012 9:11:21 PM PST by Salvation
Ah, well it was a flop because the bait was not tempting.
Why not? Is Psalms NOT 'sola scripture'? The question was from whence is Matthew a credible Gosple? Right? I mean really now Christ was to come out of the seed line of David and who better to prophecy what would take place at the Crucifixion?
You wrote:
“Why not?”
Because there’s no relationship between the two in regard to what was asked for.
“Is Psalms NOT ‘sola scripture’?”
No. Psalms is Psalms. No book in the Bible is ‘sola scripture’.
“The question was from whence is Matthew a credible Gosple? Right?”
No.
“I mean really now Christ was to come out of the seed line of David and who better to prophecy what would take place at the Crucifixion?”
None of which has anything to do with what was asked for. Please throw in the kitchen sink to complete your own obfuscation.
It’s the old...”tradition holds that such and such wrote such a book and if a sola scripturist will admit the possibility that such a tradition may have validity, then his belief in Sola Scriptura can be shown to have no foundation...thus the poor shaken “Solaist”(who very much was trying to be just like the Bereans) can be challenged and his faith in “scripture alone” destroyed with the question of whether or not other more questionable “traditions of the Catholic Church” might have merit, despite having no validity to be found in settled canon” ....gambit!
(run on sentence deliberatley employed for sarcastic stream of consciousness effect!)
Yawwwnn, like we couldn’t have seen thru that ploy!
“Since Protestants say they believe in sola scriptura”
I am a Protestant. I’ve never said that. I have said “In Christ alone...” however. Is it wrong that I believe that my salvation is found in Jesus Christ, alone?
I am not obfuscating. I do NOT understand what answer you are demanding. I can find NO authority given any flesh man to 'create' filtration systems and then claim ownership. Christ does just fine in His own WORDS, He never handed off to flesh beings authority to make up hoops to jump through to hear His voice. And claiming Peter got the keys won't fly. WHY? Because Peter put his 'keys' in writing, he did not open up a locksmith business for each ensuing man to cut new keys.
Now IF Psalms 22 penned by King David is not sufficient for you to accept as giving all the credibility/certification that Matthew Gosple provides then so be it.
I am not obfuscating. I do NOT understand what answer you are demanding. I can find NO authority given any flesh man to 'create' filtration systems and then claim ownership. Christ does just fine in His own WORDS, He never handed off to flesh beings authority to make up hoops to jump through to hear His voice. And claiming Peter got the keys won't fly. WHY? Because Peter put his 'keys' in writing, he did not open up a locksmith business for each ensuing man to cut new keys.
Now IF Psalms 22 penned by King David is not sufficient for you to accept as giving all the credibility/certification that Matthew Gospel provides then so be it.
You wrote:
“I am a Protestant.”
What denomination?
“I’ve never said that.”
Irrelevant. Sola scriptura is part and parcel of Protestantism. If a particular Protestant denies what his sect believes in, and in fact what is automatically part of the proper understanding of Protestantism, then all that tells us is that Protestants can be heterodox according to even their own loose standards.
“I have said “In Christ alone...” however. Is it wrong that I believe that my salvation is found in Jesus Christ, alone?”
No, it just has nothing to do with what was asked for. Thanks for proving my point: Protestants are unable to provide the answers.
I can understand what you wrote. Thank you for the explanation. I forgot that some are taught they hold the 'copyright' for the WORD of God, and it is in the state of evolution.
“What denomination?”
Church of the Nazarene.
“No, it just has nothing to do with what was asked for.”
I don’t care what was asked for, I AM however confused by the term “Sola Scriptura.” What do you mean by this?
“Thanks for proving my point: Protestants are unable to provide the answers.”
Maybe you are not asking the right questions or are asking in such a manner as to feel like “gotcha” questions.
You wrote:
“I am not obfuscating.”
Perhaps you believe that.
“I do NOT understand what answer you are demanding.”
Then this is too much for you. It is best you move on then and allow those with more skill and understanding to participate.
“I can find NO authority given any flesh man to ‘create’ filtration systems and then claim ownership.”
That has nothing to do with what I asked for.
“Christ does just fine in His own WORDS, He never handed off to flesh beings authority to make up hoops to jump through to hear His voice.”
That too is not what I asked about.
“And claiming Peter got the keys won’t fly. WHY? Because Peter put his ‘keys’ in writing, he did not open up a locksmith business for each ensuing man to cut new keys.”
That too is not what I asked about.
“Now IF Psalms 22 penned by King David is not sufficient for you to accept as giving all the credibility/certification that Matthew Gosple provides then so be it.”
Nothing in Psalms 22 actually in any way, shape or form addresses anything that was asked for. If you actually provide what I asked for, great. It doesn’t seem that you are able to, however.
Then put up and show your ‘wise’ counsel!
Although I have been Catholic since being in the cradle, I am a Catholic because of the greatness and fullness of the belief, confidence, and love that comes from God and is most shown in a visable way.
My experience is that two people get engaged. One was raised a Catholic, the other one doesn’t belong to a religion. The other one has to become a Catholic if he/she wants to marry the Catholic. Then they have kids who immediately become Catholics when they are baptized as infants. That’s what happened with my parents and the resulting kids. However I saw the light at around 20 years old and am no longer a Catholic.
Plus have a stable spiritual foundation in life.
Hey I'm a Nazarene PK! Of course I'm Catholic now... so that happened... anyhoo...
We never used the term sola scriptura when I was growing up because frankly I don't think we gave the authority of Scripture much thought, it was just a given.
Nazarenes by reason of their Wesleyan heritage are closer to Catholics in general theology than almost any of the original reformation sectarians. At least that's what my cousin says everytime I give her the "why don't you just get it over with and convert already" look.
Yes, I know that Nazarenes and Catholics are close in theology, we have several former Catholics in our congregation.
One of them that I know well says that is why he is comfortable with us.....not a lot of “crazy junk.” (his words)
By allowing you to show you can’t answer the simple questions I already have. That was the point. Thanks for helping.
Please,
As a non-Catholic Christian I would be interested in your reasoning. As a Christian, I would behave as a Berean and test your reasoning against scripture.
I just don’t understand this heat on both sides, and it seems the overriding objective is to score points over another person.
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