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1 posted on 01/15/2012 2:36:06 PM PST by narses
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2 posted on 01/15/2012 2:37:04 PM PST by narses
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Catholic
3 posted on 01/15/2012 2:43:40 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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People need to quit confusing “Catholic”, which means universal, with “Roman Catholic”. In the early Christian Church, everybody was considered “Catholic”. Some useful sources include www.goarch.org, www.oca.org and www.antiochian.org.


4 posted on 01/15/2012 2:44:02 PM PST by toothfairy86
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That Church remains Catholic to this day, and will remain so until the end of time (Matthew 16:18+).

My Bible doesn't have that word Catholic in it anywhere. Are you sure you're not playing loosy goosy with a private interpretation?

5 posted on 01/15/2012 2:44:19 PM PST by BipolarBob (I don't mind you shooting at me, Frank, but take it easy on the Bacardi!)
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Even in the early days, as we find in the Book of Acts, there were splinter churches and dissenters. One of the marks of the true Church was that it was universal, not a dissident local church.

So when it came to defining the Church at the Council of Nicea, it was said to be One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.

There is only one true Church. So it says in the Bible. That one true Church is also seen to be Apostolic, headed by the bishops who descend from the original Apostles in unbroken succession. Catholic Church simply means Universal Church.

That was one reason why I left the Anglican Church, because like Newman I concluded that there was no way that it could be the universal Church, throughout the world and through all time since its founding by Christ. I received great good from growing up in the Anglican Church. I have read and considered its own claims to be universal and apostolic, and I found that I simply could not justify those claims.

The Council of Nicea put the word Catholic into the creed, but of course, as this article suggests, the word can be found much earlier, as a response to splinter groups that go back to the earliest days when the original apostles were still active.


7 posted on 01/15/2012 2:49:37 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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But It's not in the Bible.Photobucket

Jesus never Declared he had a Mother either! but He was a Baby.

Also they did not go to the bathroom either because it is not in the New Testament Bible.

9 posted on 01/15/2012 2:50:37 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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But It's not in the Bible.Photobucket

Jesus never Declared he had a Mother either! but He was a Baby.

Also they did not go to the bathroom either because it is not in the New Testament Bible.

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10 posted on 01/15/2012 2:51:10 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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We Anglicans still call ourselves “catholic”.


17 posted on 01/15/2012 2:59:40 PM PST by SuzyQue (Don't believe everything you think.)
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Catholic simply shows that the Church is universal. Which as a non "Catholic" there is no disagreement with the idea that there is only one Church which is the body of Christ on earth. This idea is completely scriptural.

Just because someone picks up a good word and incorporates it into their title doesn't mean anything. Are the LDS the real saints because they incorporate the word "saint" into the name they chose for their supposed church. No. Neither is the Catholic Church the true Church because they chose the name "Catholic" as their title.

And yes, they murdered countless people who did not agree with them. They were in power. The Jewish religious system that was in power at the time of Christ rejected and murdered Him. Being the religious system in power does not make you right. The Jewish religious system was abolished and will not come back until Jesus comes again.

In fact catholic means that all people who believe in Jesus are a part of the universal Church, not that you have to be "Catholic" to be a member of the universal Church.

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] Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; all]

Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

23 posted on 01/15/2012 3:07:46 PM PST by Bellflower
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When Did Christians First Call Themselves “Catholic”?

April 19th 692 AD 4:38 PM Central time.
28 posted on 01/15/2012 3:17:02 PM PST by Krankor (Her voice was soft and cool. Her eyes were clear and bright. But she's not there.)
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"The word catholic (derived via Late Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning "universal") comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου (kath'holou), meaning "on the whole," "according to the whole" or "in general", and is a combination of the Greek words κατά meaning "about" and όλος meaning "whole". The word in English can mean either "including a wide variety of things; all-embracing" or "of the Roman Catholic faith" as "relating to the historic doctrine and practice of the Western Church."

It was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope. In the context of Christian ecclesiology, it has a rich history and several usages. In non-ecclesiastical use, it derives its English meaning directly from its root, and is currently used to mean

universal or of general interest;
liberal, having broad interests, or wide sympathies

or inclusive, inviting and containing strong evangelism.

All Christians believe in the Catholic Church. Not all believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the totality of the Catholic Church.

31 posted on 01/15/2012 3:18:29 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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When Did Christians First Call Themselves “Catholic”?

When did Christians start ignoring the direct access to the Throne of Grace and start praying to dead Christians for help?

35 posted on 01/15/2012 3:33:54 PM PST by tbpiper
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“when did Christians first call themselves Catholic?”

A hell of a long time before they didn’t.


39 posted on 01/15/2012 3:48:08 PM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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It is also important to consider the full context of that letter.:

Chapter 6. Unbelievers in the blood of Christ shall be condemned

Let no man deceive himself. Both the things which are in heaven, and the glorious angels, and rulers, both visible and invisible, if they believe not in the blood of Christ, shall, in consequence, incur condemnation. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Matthew 19:12 Let not [high] place puff any one up: for that which is worth all is faith and love, to which nothing is to be preferred. But consider those who are of a different opinion with respect to the grace of Christ which has come unto us, how opposed they are to the will of God. They have no regard for love; no care for the widow, or the orphan, or the oppressed; of the bond, or of the free; of the hungry, or of the thirsty.

Chapter 7. Let us stand aloof from such heretics

They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion [of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils.

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

Chapter 9. Honour the bishop

Moreover, it is in accordance with reason that we should return to soberness [of conduct], and, while yet we have opportunity, exercise repentance towards God. It is well to reverence both God and the bishop. He who honours the bishop has been honoured by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil. Let all things, then, abound to you through grace, for you are worthy. You have refreshed me in all things, and Jesus Christ [shall refresh] you. You have loved me when absent as well as when present. May God recompense you, for whose sake, while you endure all things, you shall attain unto Him.

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans

It is clear that according to St. Ignatius the Holy Catholic Church, the Church which is where Christ is -- is also the Church believing in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and ruled by bishops, and not some sum total of all Christians as some would like to interpret the word.

40 posted on 01/15/2012 3:51:05 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

Acts 26:28
Then Agrippa said to Paul, “You almost persuade me to become a Christian.”

Romans 12:9
[ Behave Like a Christian ] Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.

Galatians 5:1
[ Christian Liberty ] Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Colossians 3:18
[ The Christian Home ] Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

Colossians 4:2
[ Christian Graces ] Continue earnestly in prayer, being vigilant in it with thanksgiving;

1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.

Mathew 16:18

18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

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Not only is the word Catholic not in Mathew 16, it's nowhere in the bible.

45 posted on 01/15/2012 4:02:04 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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60 posted on 01/15/2012 4:33:24 PM PST by GOP Poet
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Yeah...as soon as the apostles all died out....men came along and corrupted the Church...just like Jesus said they would.
You sure can trust The Word of God.


75 posted on 01/15/2012 5:25:37 PM PST by astratt7 (obama,muslim,politics)
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There are two types of Christians in the world. Those who are Catholic and those who want to be Catholic. Stop denying yourself. Become Catholic and begin your walk with God!


133 posted on 01/15/2012 6:36:43 PM PST by elvis-lives
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Catholics from the START!


What is the History of Your Church?

 

Church Year Established Founder Where Established
 
Catholic 33 Jesus Christ Jerusalem
 
Orthodox 1054 Schismatic Catholic
Bishops
Constantinople
 
Lutheran 1517 Martin Luther Germany
 
Anabaptist 1521 Nicholas Storch &
Thomas Munzer
Germany
 
Anglican 1534 Henry VIII England
 
Mennonites 1536 Menno Simons Switzerland
 
Calvinist 1555 John Calvin Switzerland
 
Presbyterian 1560 John Knox Scotland
 
Congregational 1582 Robert Brown Holland
 
Baptist 1609 John Smyth Amsterdam
 
Dutch Reformed 1628 Michaelis Jones New York
 
Congregationalist 1648 Pilgrims and Puritans Massachusetts
 
Quakers 1649 George Fox England
 
Amish 1693 Jacob Amman France
 
Freemasons 1717 Masons from four lodges London
 
Methodist 1739 John & Charles
Wesley
England
 
Unitarian 1774 Theophilus Lindey London
 
Methodist Episcopal 1784 60 Preachers Baltimore, MD
 
Episcopalian 1789 Samuel Seabury American Colonies
 
United Brethren 1800 Philip Otterbein &
Martin Boehn
Maryland
 
Disciples of Christ 1827 Thomas & Alexander
Campbell
Kentucky
 
Mormon 1830 Joseph Smith New York
 
Methodist Protestant 1830 Methodist United States
 
Church of Christ 1836 Warren Stone &
Alexander Campbell
Kentucky
 
Seventh Day Adventist 1844 Ellen White Washington, NH
 
Christadelphian (Brethren
of Christ
1844 John Thomas Richmond, VA
 
Salvation Army 1865 William Booth London
 
Holiness 1867 Methodist United States
 
Jehovah's Witnesses 1874 Charles Taze Russell Pennsylvania
 
Christian Science 1879 Mary Baker Eddy Boston
 
Church of God in Christ 1895 Various churches of God Arkansas
 
Church of Nazarene c. 1850-1900 Various religious bodies Pilot Point, TX
 
Pentecstal 1901 Charles F. Parkham Topeka, KS
 
Aglipayan 1902 Gregorio Aglipay Philippines
 
Assemblies of God 1914 Pentecostalism Hot Springs, AZ
 
Iglesia ni Christo 1914 Felix Manalo Philippines
 
Four-square Gospel 1917 Aimee Semple
McPherson
Los Angeles, CA
 
United Church of Christ 1961 Reformed and
Congregationalist
Philadelphia, PA
 
Calvary Chapel 1965 Chuck Smith Costa Mesa, CA
 
United Methodist 1968 Methodist and United
Brethren
Dallas, TX
 
Born-again c. 1970s Various religious bodies United States
 
Harvest Christian 1972 Greg Laurie Riverside, CA
 
Saddleback 1982 Rick Warren California
 
Non-denominational c. 1990s various United States

195 posted on 04/13/2012 9:34:40 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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