Posted on 01/13/2012 10:31:42 AM PST by RnMomof7
A German Catholic priest has admitted 280 counts of sexual abuse involving three boys over almost a decade, the BBC reported. About 2,800 pornographic images -- including several of his victims -- were found on the priest's computer.
Named only as Andreas L, the priest, 46, told a court in Braunschweig he did not think he was doing harm.
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*accused* not conviction or admission.
Where are the Catholics screaming about false accusations and how it can ruin a man’s life, like they do when it’s a Catholic priest being accused?
I think not. It's been endemic in the Catholic church for centuries by all accounts.
St. Peter Damian's Book of Gomorrah: Homosexual Situation Graver than Damian's Time
Unfortunately, there are still many media brain-washed neocons calling for the canonization of arch homo-abuse enabler JP2.
What complete in action?
Demonstrate that.
I suppose that moving molesting priests around is not complete inaction, some action DID take place, just not the appropriate kind.
Actually, all six of the cases I posted were criminal prosecutions, which are vanishingly rare among the Catholic sex-abuse cases. The standard of proof for a criminal indictment is much higher than the standard of proof for a lawsuit. Of course, he did confess his crime... like most of the Protestant cases I posted.
The only *single* anything in this case the thread is about is that it's ONE man.
There's a huge difference in the reaction of Protestants vs Catholics when one of their clergy is accused, charged, arrested, whatever, concerning a sexual abuse case.
It's that Protestants see that the person is arrested, usually strip him of his credentials, applaud the action of justice being done, and express the position that the guy has no business being a minister or near children again.
In contrast to the Catholic position of moving him around, covering it up, allowing him to continue to administer sacraments and recognize them as valid REGARDLESS of the sin in his life, and counter with *Once a priest, always a priest*- his personal holiness does not affect his ability to be a priest.
Disgusting beyond words.
If I found out that some priest served me communion during a time of actively molesting little boys, I'd just want to puke. What defilement. And to hold up a eucharist to sanctify it and make it holy with hands which have done what they did?
It is beyond comprehension that Catholics tolerate it.
I was also wondering why the members of the molestation fan club weren't all over the Penn State threads. I even pinged a few of them to them, but they didn't seem to be interested. It's "almost like" they only care about child molestation when it can be used against Catholics - otherwise it's No Big Deal.
It was people like you who were yammering about the Holy Inquisition until it was unwisely shut down. Now it should be obvious to all that the Inquisition was a good thing which should be restored.
The media loves to report the homo-child abuse by priests but usually downplays it among everybody else.
I wish. The more typical response is to sever the contract and sign non-disclosure contracts in exchange for agreements not to challenge the contract nullification. This, then, means that standard practice for firing a minister for inappropriate sexual conduct is STILL to allow the terminated to get re-hired by another, unwitting congregation.
Despite pleas of "we can't help it, we have a congregational polity," most congregational churches have some body that credentials their ministers. Reasonable steps would include:
Yet, NONE of these steps have been implemented. Why? Because Protestant congregations' lawyers continue to see plausible deniability as the best tactic for avoiding lawsuits. In contrast, by 1990, before the lawsuits and press reports caught on, the Catholic church eliminated 95%+ of its sexual abuse problems. See, the Catholic church makes itself responsible through its episcopalian polity. The congregational churches motivate themselves to remain ignorant.
You'll be happy to know that it probably won't.
>> If I found out that some priest served me communion during a time of actively molesting little boys, I’d just want to puke. What defilement. And to hold up a eucharist to sanctify it and make it holy with hands which have done what they did?
It is beyond comprehension that Catholics tolerate it. <<
OK, forget all the sectarian bickering. Let me explain something very plainly to you:
Because you DON’T believe in transubstantiation, you don’t make the linkages some Catholics do. Among the countless Catholic threads, there is a persistent theme of grave concern over the failure to manifest proper reverence due the body of Christ, or the refusal to properly confect the eucharist.
We don’t see these as separate issues. When we see a priest use an improper substance for the eucharist, or wrap himself too much in socialist claptrap, or tolerating showbizzy crap in the context of a mass, or failing to uphold the necessity of confession, we correlate such irreverence for the body of Christ with irreverence for the bodies of children. In fact, I’d even go so far as to say that most of the liturgical abuses we’ve seen stem from priests who can’t face the Real Presence of Christ in the eucharist, so distract themselves, or avoid confecting the Real Presence in the first place. Further, I’d suppose that the bishops that can look the other way when politicians promote baby killing are the ones that look the other way when their priests commit other unspeakable acts of destruction. And, looking at the worst offenders largely bears this out: Cardinal Law, Cardinal Mahony, Cardinal Bernadin, Archbishop Weakland, etc., all chummied up with liberal politicians, and all had horrible sexual scandals in their sees.
I can’t do much to prevent the sexual abuse by a preist in Germany. No can I impanel an inquest into the local priests of my diocese. But I can beware of dissidents, heretics, and malefactors.
So, yeah, we care. But we heal the wickedness of such ministers by defending the faith, praying, and struggling to renew a sense of reverence in the world around us, not by from divorcing the Church that we hold Jesus created. And we’re certainly not going to join Protestant churches who we believe lack true doctrine and the ecclesiastical structures needed to win this war.
Right on Bro! Nothing smells like reform like a heretic burning in agony. Just when can we expect the Church to reinstate the Holy Inquisition?
Not that it would change MY mind, but if you want to impress Catholics, make sure Protestant churches are rid of the sexual abuse, rather than just deflecting back to the Catholic churches. Saying, “it’s different, because we can’t do anything about it!” doesn’t make children any safer. In fact, it proves to us that we need to stay in the episcopal structures which give the Catholic church the responsibility over the priests which you deride as if it were proof that the Catholic church is evil. (And yes, you CAN do something about it.)
Also, win back some of the larger denominations. Why join the OPC, when it’s already showing the liberal rot that turned the PCUSA into a homosexual abuse-approving, abortion-worshiping, anti-semitic, communist pile of refuse? We’re bringing Catholicisim back from the brink of socialism; the Protestants just seem resigned to lose 80% of their congregations to liberalism every other generation.
Any while you’re at it, try to get out in front of the Catholics on moral doctrine once in a while? For a century, the Protestants have been played by the secularists into supporting contraception, masturbation, divorce, abortion, etc., Thank God, Catholics are no longer the only major denomination to oppose abortion. But we could use a little support on issues like contraception, masturbation and divorce. It seems like so many Protestant groups only care about homosexuality, when only a few percent of all Americans struggle with that.
Not that it would change MY mind, but if you want to impress Catholics, make sure Protestant churches are rid of the sexual abuse, rather than just deflecting back to the Catholic churches. Saying, “it’s different, because we can’t do anything about it!” doesn’t make children any safer. In fact, it proves to us that we need to stay in the episcopal structures which give the Catholic church the responsibility over the priests which you deride as if it were proof that the Catholic church is evil. (And yes, you CAN do something about it.)
Also, win back some of the larger denominations. Why join the OPC, when it’s already showing the liberal rot that turned the PCUSA into a homosexual abuse-approving, abortion-worshiping, anti-semitic, communist pile of refuse? We’re bringing Catholicisim back from the brink of socialism; the Protestants just seem resigned to lose 80% of their congregations to liberalism every other generation.
Any while you’re at it, try to get out in front of the Catholics on moral doctrine once in a while? For a century, the Protestants have been played by the secularists into supporting contraception, masturbation, divorce, abortion, etc., Thank God, Catholics are no longer the only major denomination to oppose abortion. But we could use a little support on issues like contraception, masturbation and divorce. It seems like so many Protestant groups only care about homosexuality, when only a few percent of all Americans struggle with that.
>> Right on Bro! Nothing smells like reform like a heretic burning in agony. Just when can we expect the Church to reinstate the Holy Inquisition? <<
You do realize that mas is responding to my post that the majority of “victims” of the Inquisition were sexual abusers, right? That the Inquisition had no authority over anyone who denied being Catholic? That the Inquisition was actually the authority that PUT AN END TO torture? And that it ceased physical punishments more than three centuries before it was halted (or, more accurately, renamed... Pope Benedict actually ran the modern successor to the Papal Inquisition.)?
Uh, no.
Exactly.
While it's great that many Protestant groups condemn homosexuality, they often have a bad habit of overlooking many of the other sins related to sex. And actually, while many of those sins may not be as bad, they are having a worse effect on America than homosexuality since they are so much more common. When "socially conservative" Protestants say that "gay marriage" will destroy the institution of marriage in America, I have to disagree. It has already been destroyed by many other sins, such as no-fault divorce, which many "socially conservative" Protestants refuse to condemn.
Maybe it has to do with the fact that homosexual sex does not appeal to most of them, but divorce and masturbation do.
“Just when can we expect the Church to reinstate the Holy Inquisition?”
Historically, corruption and heresy drag down portions of the Church until at some point there is a bounce. Radical measures are introduced to bring about restoration. Eventually after conditions have been improved, people get lazy again and the cycle repeats itself.
The crisis today appears even worse than the Arian Heresy, and yet there is a strong traditionalist remnant holding out for the restoration.
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