[Salvation]

Praise be to Jesus Christ, our Savior, true God and true man.

[Salvation]

This is a Catholic Caucus thread.

[Rashputin]

I was reading, On The Flesh of Christ by Tertullian a few months ago and compared to what passes for argument these days, Tertullian is amazing. Everything is laid out so logically, so clearly, and built up piece by piece to reach the important conclusions in a way that makes it almost impossible to follow the argument all the way through and not accept the conclusion. I strongly suspect that those who didn't agree with his conclusions stopped reading what he had to say very early in his writings. Otherwise, they'd have been forced to just admit that they didn't care what the truth was, they'd made up their mind and weren't going to change it.

These days, that seems to be the way most people approach their faith. They've made up their mind and while they may toss out cliches and catch phrases they've heard, they're not really all that concerned with whether or not what they believe is the absolute truth. It's as if people have become convinced that whatever they believe is fine. As long as they're very sincere about it think they're going to be given the OK by Christ. I think everyone should make the time to read On The Flesh of Christ, especially anyone in any way unclear about the humanity of Christ. Tertullian and the other Church Fathers are a great gift and a blessing to us if we make the time to study them.

Just my two cents on the subject.

Regards

(Thanks for another good article, too, Salvation)

[sayuncledave]

Absolutely with all of me, Yes!

[Mrs. Don-o]

Wow.

And there's another poem by --I think --- Denise Levertov, which has stuck with me all my life, I mean over 40 years, since I read it as a teenager. I've never been able to find it again. If any FReeper poets recognize it, please let me know if Levertov is indeed the author (or was it Barbara Deming?) and/or where I can locate it.

This is from my (faulty) memory:

(Title Unknown)

"Am I a god at hand?" - Jeremiah

Pray for us.
Living and true,
God is each day a new
God,
Abides in us,
But hides from us
Who it is He Is.

Pray for us.
He awaits us in unheard-of places,
With His despaired-of graces.