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"What will happen to Catholics and others . . . ?"
Mirror of Justice ^ | Jan 2, 2012 | Robert George

Posted on 01/08/2012 12:46:11 PM PST by bkopto

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To: bkopto

kind, reasonable and LOST. It’s not enough to be kind and reasonable. Must have truth.


41 posted on 01/08/2012 3:11:21 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: steve86

Also expect to be denied Internet access early on when one’s bookmarks are found to contain URLs pointing to Christian sites, or, horror of horrors, to a web site name with Christ or Blessed Virgin Mary in the title. My frequent visits to http://ageofmary.com/ will put me on the DHS most wanted list.


42 posted on 01/08/2012 3:18:58 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: bkopto
"Well, they [Catholics and others] will either have to change their views or be treated in the same way that white supremacists and the segregationist Senators were treated. They were excluded from the judiciary entirely for decades because of the South’s views on race."

Whether someone agrees with the Catholic Church or not, anyone with an IQ higher than the recommended tire pressure on the sidewall of their auto tires should see that the Catholic Church and the way the government tries to bind and/or regulate the Catholic Church is the canary in the coal mine and has been ever since the number of Catholic in this country grew beyond about 10% of the population. Given that fact, anyone who ignores the current open government assault on the Catholic Church is ignoring what will be coming their way as well once the precedent is established against the Catholic Church in this country.

The democrat fascist party has had a long term, multi-generational goal, of excluding Catholics from politics as well as from any and all government jobs including the military. All you have to do is read about the attacks on the Catholic Church back in the eighteen seventies when the Catholic Church warned that public schools would lead to a Godless, secular society, to see the exact same attacks are being used today with only the definition of "the public good" having been changed to suit the relativistic humanism now in vogue among gullible dolts and ruling nobles. Back then, the fascist democrat party was quite successful in keeping the popular alternative of a voucher type system from being enacted and in doing so placed public schools squarely under the control of politicians rather than parents. If that isn’t convincing enough, read about the number of democrat elected officials who signed the KKK pledge to never hire a Catholic, Jew, or Negro, for a government job when they were running for office in the nineteen twenties riding another wave of only slightly modified lies to mislead that generation of the gullible into believing that no Jew and no Catholic should ever be in an elected office. Those that the fascist party makes sure are ostricised the fascist party then promises it will save them from that status of being outsiders.

The fact that these days there are so many non-Catholic denominations just means that there are no longer other Christian voting blocs the fascists think they have to accommodate or crush. The democrat fascist party has never changed a single one of its goals. Those goals have always been the elimination of Christianity, the creation of a ruling nobility that either owns or otherwise absolutely controls the rest of the population and ever since the Darwin, the creation of a superior race by implementing eugenics solutions dictated by the ruling nobility. Class, Race, antisemitism, and anti-Catholicism, have been the standard weapons of the democrat fascist party for as long as that party has existed. So far, they’ve orchestrated those weapons well enough that they’ve been the ruling majority at least since WWII due to their ability to first ostracize and then promise inclusion to those very same groups they intend to eventually be shed of. The democrat party has never and will never define the common good as anything that is in any way compatible with the Bill of Rights, and yet, the democrat fascist party still exists.

Where are the patriots who used to exist in such numbers that they instilled fear in elected officials when someone even suggested ignoring the Constitution? Where are the mass rallies against Obama and his criminal behavior? Does the fascist party have a patent on mass demonstrations of the sort that Congress critters can't ignore? How is it that OWS is in the news but not a peep is heard from the millions who claim to be aghast at the way the current President ignores and defies the Constitution? Has playing the game become the goal or are there still large numbers of people who will not accept the end of our Constitution at the hands of a fascist nobility led by a foreign usurper?

JMHO

PS - Sorry to be so verbose, but, when we’ve gone so far down the toilet that folks are considering the details of how the dictatorial fascist party lead by a narcissist will deny rights to Catholics who are protected by the First Amendment, I felt I needed to say a good bit in order to avoid saying something succinct and off color.

43 posted on 01/08/2012 3:31:58 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: bkopto; wagglebee; little jeremiah; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
His response was very disappointing, and it shook my confidence in him. He responded to me by saying something along the lines of: "Well, they [Catholics and others] will either have to change their views or be treated in the same way that white supremacists and the segregationist Senators were treated. They were excluded from the judiciary entirely for decades because of the South's views on race."

Looks like the battle lines are being drawn.

44 posted on 01/08/2012 3:38:39 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: sayuncledave
Ladies, gentlemen, we will eventually be ostracized, and same-sex unions will likely be the mechanism used, primarily.

In the example of the revered law professor, Christians who haven't gotten the message by now will be lumped with "separatists and KKK". Except that in the old days, separatists and KKK had a (D) label, which was the path to political power in much of the Old South, and (more quietly), the Old North. Even today, modern liberalism owes much to racists in their closet. Like being a nazi, they have to let sleeping bad guys lie. But it's still a mark of distinction to support every commie from Marx to Putin.

As far as Christians go, some congregations sold out, or quietly swept it under the rug. Those that still oppose SSM and abortion are following the same beliefs they always had. The world just changed underneath their feet, but they didn't cause that.

Interestingly, Islam holds the same views, but for some strange reason won't even merit a disapproving glance, much less the promise to make them something less than second-class citizens.

45 posted on 01/08/2012 3:45:16 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

Nicely said. The left will try to play “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” but it will backfire when those jihadists decide that the opportune time has come. But the left looks for anything that helps it’s goals, while paying scant attention to afterward.

The awful words of OBL, who represented that which the left wishes to ally with said: “Our talks with the infidel West and our conflict with them ultimately revolve around one issue—one that demands our total support, with power and determination, with one voice—and it is: Does islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in islam: [1] either willing submission [conversion]; or [2] payment of the jizya, through physical, though not spiritual, submission to the authority of islam; or [3] the sword — for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live. The matter is summed up for every person alive: Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of islam, or die.”

That WILL bite them in the hindquarters.


46 posted on 01/08/2012 4:07:41 PM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: bkopto

Yes, the slippery slope which we are constantly berated for mentioning and told it is “scare tactics”.

I and I would bet, many others here knew from the beginning that this issue would be used to silence Christians and that the left would persecute those who oppose it.

I and I would bet, many others here also knew that eventually it would be considered discrimination and then illegal for churches to refuse to recognize and officiate same sex “marriage”.

It is coming.


47 posted on 01/08/2012 4:21:21 PM PST by Jvette
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To: bkopto

Christians must learn to FIGHT this oppression!

Know the Constitution, Know your Faith!


48 posted on 01/08/2012 4:27:25 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: bkopto

The “falling away” is real.


49 posted on 01/08/2012 4:35:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: iacovatx

Many years ago, I had a beginning law course professor who would joke about firing up furnaces when pressed on what should happen to people who resisted the government schools’ socialization process.


50 posted on 01/08/2012 4:35:56 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: steve86

For some reason, though, I am much more confident that my prediction will come true. Thank-you for your response.


51 posted on 01/08/2012 4:47:50 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: metmom
"Looks like the battle lines are being drawn. "

The battle lines have been drawn for two thousand years.

52 posted on 01/08/2012 4:58:30 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: steve86; metmom; CynicalBear; presently no screen name
You truly do believe your Church is Spiritual Israel, don't you? And that you will be hiding in catacombs with your Crucifixes and Rosaries, trying to endure to the end..If you are alive at this moment, you are in the age of grace. You have been promised BY GOD to be kept from the wrath to come. (Rom. 5:9-11). Moreover, "God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thess. 5:9-11).

This age of grace is about forming the Church the Body of Christ, whose promises and assurances are heavenly, not on this earth.

Our mission during this age of the Grace of God is found in 2 Cor. 5:14-21. We are to preach the gospel of reconciliation between God and man (the gospel of the grace of God). And we are to beseach others in Christ's stead, to be reconciled to God by the finished work of Christ. "Behold NOW is the accepted time: behold, NOW is the day of salvation." 2 Cor. 6:2.

But this age of grace will not last forever. It will end when the last person who is to make up the Body of Christ is saved. At that point, Christ will return to the AIR and we, the living, and those believers who have died will meet Him and thus shall we ever be with the Lord. Then God will turn His eyes toward Israel and the tribulation will begin. Do you have any idea what the tribulation is about? It is NOT about Catholics hiding in the catacombs praying their rosaries and having mass.

Your chance of salvation and avoiding the wrath of God being poured out on you is NOW. What do you think will happen to those people, during this age of Grace, who heard about the free gift of salvation through the finished work of Christ, and rejected it for their own works of righteousness?

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thess. 2:11,12. They did not receive the love of the truth while they had the chance. They rejected it for the love of their Church's doctrines, traditions, and false belief that salvation was to be found in a church, not the finished work of Christ.

So the problem is, you are not Israel. Israel is Israel. Your chance to escape God's wrath is now. To reject it is to go into God's wrath with your eyes wide open. Until God sends a strong delusion that those unbelievers should believe a lie. There will be no endure to the end to endure. That is for Israel. Not an institution that claims she is spiritual Israel during this time when God is dealing with man in grace through faith.

53 posted on 01/08/2012 5:17:36 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: Biggirl
A bit of hope in my state, although the Governor is pushing big time for SSM:

No same-sex marriage without public vote, senator says

BAYVIEW — Same-sex marriage will not become law in Washington without voter approval, an influential state senator told a raucous Saturday town meeting on Whidbey Island packed with gay rights supporters.

“I will tell you they will not have the votes in the state Senate without a vote of the people,” said state Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen, D-Camano, a 20-year veteran of the Legislature’s upper chamber.

Haugen represents a Republican-leaning Island and Skagit County district that includes liberal pockets, notably South Whidbey, as well as very conservative Oak Harbor. She is usually its only Democratic legislator.

She was confronted Saturday with intense emotion from the liberal end of her constituency. At times, the town hall seemed like a Tea Party confrontation in reverse.

“I must represent the entire 10th District and we have a lot of evangelicals . . .,” Haugen began.

“Don’t even go on,” shouted Laura Taylor, a Clinton resident.

Marriage equality “is going to happen” either this year or in the near future, argued a woman named Chris Berman, standing on a bench in the back. Inevitable or not, “Morally supporting us is very important,” Berman added.

“We are your people,” said Eileen Jackson of Langley.

Haugen kept her cool, confessing — as Gov. Chris Gregoire did last week — that “for me personally this is a tough issue, one of the toughest.” The senator was born on Camano Island and is a lifelong resident of the district she represents. “You can criticize me a lot,” she joked. “I am a big girl and an old girl.”

54 posted on 01/08/2012 5:20:26 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: smvoice

We have room in our catacomb for you, too!


55 posted on 01/08/2012 5:22:50 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: smvoice; steve86; metmom; presently no screen name

The life of those “left behind” will not be a pleasant one. Those who will be shocked to realize that the disappearance of millions and finally understand that Christ indeed was the only way and turn to Him will need to understand that death will be their only way. Attempting to “go with the flow” and survive will result in damnation. The call is to turn to Jesus now. Not Jesus and something else but Jesus alone.


56 posted on 01/08/2012 5:32:54 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: BenKenobi
This response is obscure to me. I would be grateful if you could explain which comment of mine it is that you are referring to, and:

It is true.

What and whose "it" is it that is 'true'?

I know of other Baptists who are doing the same.

_What_ is it that some people (whose baptismal practice is immersion only of adults only) (let's say of the London Baptist Confession of 1689) are doing?

And I like Baptists.

Just any group denominating themselves as "Baptists"? Which kind?

Arguing they are not ‘true’ Baptists is wrong.

Who is arguing? What is the argument about? what 'truth' are you talking about, and where did I intimate anything about who or what is or is not true?

You should be condemning them for abadoning Christ.

Who is the "them"? And who is saying that whatever I said is of a condemning nature? I can't remember saying anything about condemning here today -- ???

Without some further illumination from you, it is impossible to respond. It sounds as though you are in confusion about something -- can't tell what, though.

57 posted on 01/08/2012 5:33:31 PM PST by imardmd1 (Ps. 107:2 Let the redeemed say so ...!)
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To: imardmd1

you’ve been sent a pm.

Peace


58 posted on 01/08/2012 5:55:20 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: YHAOS

“And the gates of hell shall not prevail against her — the Church.”


59 posted on 01/08/2012 6:03:03 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking stand - from the chorus of an old hymn.

Ah, I think you mean 'sinking sand' (= quicksand). At least, from my stand (on the Rock) it is spelled that way. (wink) However, it also smells like stinking sand --- Yuck, sodomy must be kind of stinking -- vile to a child of The God.

60 posted on 01/08/2012 6:04:49 PM PST by imardmd1 (Ps. 107:2 Let the redeemed say so ...!)
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