Posted on 01/05/2012 5:10:45 AM PST by DaveMSmith
An exploration of Isaiah 53, John 1; 16:26, and 17:5, 24 from a Swedenborgian perspective. The key to it all is to see that Jesus is not a separate person; He IS "the arm of Jehovah." -- 90 minute study of Scripture
No, I don’t. Such a position is heresy, and clearly unbiblical.
So, do you hold to the view of many Roman Catholic priests that extramarital sexual intercourse with boys is acceptable?
Yes, that question is absurd. Just as yours is absurd. “Guilty by association” is not applicable in either case.
Again, it’s not about denomination, or category. It’s about Christ. If you are found in Him, then you have life. If you are not found in Him, you do not have life.
Swedenborgians would be a heretical sect based on their teachings of the Trinity so I would not regard them as Protestant since this heresy is rejected by Protestants and Catholics.
If Swedenborgians did not have this heresy (they may have more which I can’t address here) I would regard them as Protestants if they believed in Sola Scriptura and the other Solas of the Reformation and/or if they rejected the Sacraments and/or they identified themselves as such.
I would place Swedenborgians much as I do JW, a heretical sect which uses Christian image and language and misreading of Scripture.
If you don’t believe in the Trinity you are not Christian.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Ah, man. How petty, pinging the RM because of that.
Straining out the gnat and swallowing the camel.
Balance with the whole of Scripture is key in studying doctrine.
And nothing comes close to substituting for a reading of the entire Bible year by year.
As you know maybe better than I, too many theological systems follow the study method of the 10 men of Hindustan. LOL.
The poster keeps making it personal — this is repeated in every thread where he goes on to say “You place...”, “you want to...” — utterly flouting forum rules over and over again.
Stop trying to derail the conversation by whining to the Religion Admin. Crying “foul!” because of semantics is no way to keep the focus on the topic at hand.
From now on, just assume that I’ve inserted “allegedly” or “seemingly” or “seem” or “appear” in all my sentences. Yeah?
For example, “You seem to want to associate the heresy of the ‘Swedenborgians’ with other non-Roman Catholic denominations.”
... or “You appear to place a GREAT DEAL of emphasis on denomination.”
Focus, Cronos. Focus.
Ping to my reply to Cronos’ whining about my semantic faux pas.
The effort will help keep the threads on the issues and avoid flame wars.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I really dislike labels. 'Protestant' would be inaccurate because Swedenborg scribed a New Christianity -- Heavenly Doctrines. Many of the old or incorrect teachings were cast aside.
Prior to glorification, Jesus had the soul of the Divine with an imperfect exterior body so he could deal with us on our level.
The infinite cannot be understood as three persons anymore than we ourselves can -- we are in God's image.
Did you view the video? Rev Rose goes through great effort to show the three person Trinity is not supported in Scripture.
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The problem is that in the Trinity we use the term "persons" as a bad translation from the Greek ὑποστάσεις
ok, thank you for your response.
The first verse of the very next chapter in Colossians says that Christ is “seated at the right hand of God.”
Surely you’re not saying that Christ is beside Himself.
Later in that chapter, another reference to two of the three persons included in the Godhead: “do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.”
Let’s go back to chapter 1 of Colossians, which includes, “We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Two persons identified there: a Father and a Son.
Yes, triune Creator is beyond comprehension, though Scripture does provide some direction toward understanding aspects of Him.
The Word is full beginning to end of these pairs. Power and Glory comes to mind. This is how to best understand the Lord and his kingdom.
Why did God create humans? Because He was lonely?
Or did He already enjoy community within Himself, and simply created humanity to express His glory?
(I’m not understanding your “pair” categories, or how that’s relevant here. Sounds intriguing, but kinda “forced.”)
A more concise question: Did the concept of “community” exist prior to creation?
If not, then why is it such a predominant aspect of humanity? And if so, how did it manifest itself pre-creation?
Here is a question from a previous Bible Study -- Did God create everything on the earth in Genesis 1 just to destroy it all 6 chapters later?
The Word has an internal sense -- a soul -- it's known and read in heaven on this level. This spiritual sense deals with the Lord and His life as well as ours and our spiritual development.
The point is, we are vessels for the Lord's love and to show our appreciation we are to love our neighbor.
In the early days of the old church, many things were imperfectly understood. Jesus said you cannot bear them now but He will send the spirit of truth. I understand that to mean Emmanuel Swedenborg.
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