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One Nation Under Gods: A History of the Mormon Church
EdensideChristian.org ^ | 2011

Posted on 12/20/2011 11:29:15 AM PST by Colofornian

Founded in 1830, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was initially perceived as a movement of polygamous, radical zealots; now in parts of the U.S. it has become synonymous with the establishment. In reevaluating its preoccupation with issues of church and state, Abanes uncovers the political agenda at Mormonism’s core: the transformation of the world into a theocratic kingdom under Mormon authority. This illustrated edition has been revised and offers a new postscript by the author.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: gods; history; inman; lds; mormon
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To: oldbill
I am not a Mormon, but I have respect for them and other religions too.

Thanks for your input Oprah.

21 posted on 12/20/2011 2:22:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: pgkdan; oldbill; Cousin It

A reference to an ethnic cleansing pogrom, an empty claim of bigotry and one who’s a nanny.

How quaint.

Such a wonderful display of hypersensitivity to the truth that is not supported in anyway with facts, just attacking FReepers.

Saul A. would be proud...


22 posted on 12/20/2011 2:24:06 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: oldbill
Who will you come after next? Catholics? Jews?

Nope. Catholics ARE Christian, and Jews don't claim to be Christians, so they get a pass.

MORMONs, OTOH, canNOT escape the things said by the MORMON leaders of the past.

They either have to ACCEPT the following, or REPUDIATE them.

(Stay tuned to see just WHAT they will do...



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

23 posted on 12/20/2011 2:25:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Saundra Duffy; restornu
They either have to ACCEPT the following, or REPUDIATE them...

Right Sandy and Resty???

25 posted on 12/20/2011 2:26:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SENTINEL
More GODS


(click)
Praise to the Man!
 
 
 
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


26 posted on 12/20/2011 2:28:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SENTINEL
EvenMORE gods


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


27 posted on 12/20/2011 2:29:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: pgkdan

Waaah! Call the wahmbulance!! Someone’s feelings got hurt.

Thanks for confirming what many of us already figured out.

You ain’t got nothing except calling people names in a petulant and peurile attempt to defend your abherrent behavior because you don’t like the topic.

Opinions are like....

I post facts, you post opinions. You don’t like the truth? Tough. It hurts to hear it most times, but facts don’t lie.

Wanna try again?


28 posted on 12/20/2011 2:30:38 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: elcid1970
...there’s a whole entire anti-Catholic caucus here...

There IS??

I thought that cauci were only supposed to be PRO-xxx; not ANTI-xxx.

The MORMONs got in trouble by posting thing in their PRO-mormon caucus area that were ANTI-christian, and they got busted for it.

29 posted on 12/20/2011 2:31:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cousin It; Godzilla
Give it a rest already!

(I'm sure you've conveyed this same message to all 52,000 Mormon missionaries)

30 posted on 12/20/2011 2:32:15 PM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: elcid1970
...though we do wonder why the Jewish vote in America goes overwhelmingly for Obama..

Not ME!

There's this 'veil' over their eyes!

31 posted on 12/20/2011 2:32:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: pgkdan; SZonian
AsI said..I'm disgusted by these threads and thsoe who chime in on them

Thanks for "chiming in" on this thread, Pgkdan

[Hey, ya might want to cut back on the accompanying self-loathing that brings by just not posting]

Use what ever rationalizations you need to sleep at night but deep down you know you're a bigot.

(He said rather intolerantly about Szonian's religious views, which ya know, places him square in the "b" word category he mentioned)

32 posted on 12/20/2011 2:35:12 PM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: Cousin It
Give it a rest already!


33 posted on 12/20/2011 2:36:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: pgkdan
This threads disgust me also...

I'd be disgusted, too, if I believed in a HERESY like MORMONism.

It must be rough not to be able to mount a defense of the NON-Biblical practices that MORMONism is home to.

34 posted on 12/20/2011 2:38:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: pgkdan
I'm ashaamed to share the appelation of freeper with them.

Quit being ashamed and DO something about it!

Quote MORMON scripture (or even BIBLE scripture) to actually SHOW how BIGOTTED and HATEFUL we are.

Do NOT let the lurkers get an opinion of MORMONism that it is populated by a bunch of WHINERS!

35 posted on 12/20/2011 2:40:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: pgkdan
I’m not a mormon asshole.

Can I swing at it coach?

BIG>CAN I????

36 posted on 12/20/2011 2:42:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: pgkdan
That post is so stupid, illogical and wrong on so many levels I wouldn;t know hwere to begin.

Of COURSE not!


37 posted on 12/20/2011 2:45:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Do NOT let the lurkers get an opinion of MORMONism that it is populated by a bunch of WHINERS!

I don't care what lurkers think of mormons. I'm more concerned that they'll read your posts and start to believe that all Christians are smug, self righteous, sanctimonious jerks.

38 posted on 12/20/2011 2:46:25 PM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: pgkdan
"I’m not a mormon @#$*&^." [I redacted the potty language, but I think you remember what you wrote]

Then what kind are you?

None here attacked you, your church or country, so why aren't we "getting along just fine"?

40 posted on 12/20/2011 2:56:18 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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